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anyone in a position to do that is in position to torture you the old fashioned way. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

by TylerE 2y ago

akira2501 2y ago
I think xkcd has never been arrested by the police and had his belongings searched through illegally. There's more to be afraid of than state actors with the ability to kidnap and torture you without being held to account.
throwaway14356 2y ago
could be worth it
bee_rider 2y ago
I don’t know if that is true, nabbing somebody’s phone at a protest and pointing it at them seems like the sort of thing a cop could get away with at a protest for example. It must be illegal, but in the hustle and bustle of the moment, might be hard to catch.
- pjot 2y ago
  If you’re talking about someone holding an iPhone to someone’s face, there’s a setting called “attention aware” that verifies your eyes are open and looking at the phone.
  - gabeio 2y ago
    Which is unfortunately causing people's alarms to not work and the current recommendation is to deactivate said feature. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kl4glp547o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kl4glp547o (bbc news article about it)
    - happyopossum 2y ago
      Umm, no. That’s an article with random speculation from unnamed people on the internet. Attention awareness does not stop alarms, and it requires your eyes to be open and looking at the phone.
      - gabeio 2y ago
        > Attention awareness does not stop alarms, and it requires your eyes to be open and looking at the phone. Attention awareness silences/drasticly reduces the volume of alarms, that's how it is designed. If they have a bug in the attention awareness feature it stands to reason that it could not require your eyes to be open or looking at the device in question at the time.
- latexr 2y ago
  If you’re in that kind of environment, press the lock button five times in a row (iPhone) to require a password to unlock on the next interaction.
  - nmeagent 2y ago
    Challenge: surreptitiously press your lock button five times while being accosted or outright assaulted by one or more police officers.
    - latexr 2y ago
      Or, you know, just do it beforehand?
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  It's not illegal[1] and is the number one reason I don't use biometrics to unlock my phone. [1] https://www.phonearena.com/news/court-ruling-cops-can-force-suspect-to-unlock-phones-using-biometrics_id157795 https://www.phonearena.com/news/court-ruling-cops-can-force-...
- adolph 2y ago
  Early in the iOS Face ID cycle I saw this play out with a parent and child where the parent would make a funny face each time the child held the phone up to the parent's face, defeating the biometric.
will1am 2y ago
Really well said but I'm afraid of it actually
anigbrowl 2y ago
So what? Everyone who posts this xkcd meme is just vouching for the belief that torture works, when available evidence says otherwise; it's not effective on seriously committed people. https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/why-torture-doesnt-work-the-neuroscience-of-interrogation/ https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/why-torture-doesnt-work-...

anyone in a position to do that is in position to torture you the old fashioned way. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

by TylerE 2y ago

anyone in a position to do that is in position to torture you the old fashioned way. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

akira2501 2y ago

I think xkcd has never been arrested by the police and had his belongings searched through illegally. There's more to be afraid of than state actors with the ability to kidnap and torture you without being held to account.

throwaway14356 2y ago

could be worth it

bee_rider 2y ago

I don’t know if that is true, nabbing somebody’s phone at a protest and pointing it at them seems like the sort of thing a cop could get away with at a protest for example. It must be illegal, but in the hustle and bustle of the moment, might be hard to catch.

pjot 2y ago
If you’re talking about someone holding an iPhone to someone’s face, there’s a setting called “attention aware” that verifies your eyes are open and looking at the phone.
- gabeio 2y ago
  Which is unfortunately causing people's alarms to not work and the current recommendation is to deactivate said feature. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kl4glp547o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kl4glp547o (bbc news article about it)
  - happyopossum 2y ago
    Umm, no. That’s an article with random speculation from unnamed people on the internet. Attention awareness does not stop alarms, and it requires your eyes to be open and looking at the phone.
    - gabeio 2y ago
      > Attention awareness does not stop alarms, and it requires your eyes to be open and looking at the phone. Attention awareness silences/drasticly reduces the volume of alarms, that's how it is designed. If they have a bug in the attention awareness feature it stands to reason that it could not require your eyes to be open or looking at the device in question at the time.
latexr 2y ago
If you’re in that kind of environment, press the lock button five times in a row (iPhone) to require a password to unlock on the next interaction.
- nmeagent 2y ago
  Challenge: surreptitiously press your lock button five times while being accosted or outright assaulted by one or more police officers.
  - latexr 2y ago
    Or, you know, just do it beforehand?
AlexandrB 2y ago
It's not illegal[1] and is the number one reason I don't use biometrics to unlock my phone. [1] https://www.phonearena.com/news/court-ruling-cops-can-force-suspect-to-unlock-phones-using-biometrics_id157795 https://www.phonearena.com/news/court-ruling-cops-can-force-...
adolph 2y ago
Early in the iOS Face ID cycle I saw this play out with a parent and child where the parent would make a funny face each time the child held the phone up to the parent's face, defeating the biometric.

will1am 2y ago

Really well said but I'm afraid of it actually

anigbrowl 2y ago

So what? Everyone who posts this xkcd meme is just vouching for the belief that torture works, when available evidence says otherwise; it's not effective on seriously committed people. https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/why-torture-doesnt-work-the-neuroscience-of-interrogation/ https://clcjbooks.rutgers.edu/books/why-torture-doesnt-work-...