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It could be cool to have an HN Telegram group

cubefox 2y ago
We are far too many: > members forever without decreasing quality. Over time, the group decays in quality and I often find groups with >100 members unsustainable. Though there could be a decently small group chat for sufficiently ancient users.
- all2 2y ago
  We could do cohorts by hashing user uds and bucketing.
  - cubefox 2y ago
    Good idea!
localfirst 2y ago
don't see it working out tbh what HN does really well is manage pseudonyms and its low friction of signing up invites bullies/marketers/trolls dang and mod teams have done a fantastic job should put out some sort of "community management science" its tough to build a community from scratch (gone are the days of registering a niche domain + phpBB). you can fake it to a certain degree.
sneak 2y ago
Telegram isn’t end to end encrypted and you should uninstall it from your device.
- denysvitali 2y ago
  Neither is HN, should I stop using it too? Btw, Telegram is E2E encrypted opt-in
  - _djo_ 2y ago
    Not for group chats.
  - sneak 2y ago
    HN doesn’t have direct/private messaging. There is no expectation of privacy in public comments. Systems designed around direct messaging that don’t have e2ee should not be used; otherwise you normalize surveillance.
    - denysvitali 2y ago
      I would expect a public chat with 1k+ users to be considered public. Even when E2E encrypted, it just takes one person out of those 1k to leak the whole content - so what's the point? I too advocate for privacy, but for public discussions E2E encryption would make sense only as a mean of certification (person holding the key really wrote the message)
      - sneak 2y ago
        It’s not the groupchat; it’s the DMs that occur in parallel. Telegram would be fine without e2ee if it had no DMs.
        cubefox 2y ago
        Or if the "DMs" were encrypted by default.
aaron695 2y ago
> It could be cool to have an HN Telegram group Then fucking do it. I think it'd probably fail, but it might not. Importantly it allows iterations. The side group might be the winner. My email is in my profile, I'll try for a month, add your dog, there's your group. I think you'll find "something" already exists. There was a WhatsApp feed. For me it wasn't interesting. Do a search on the archives / Google if you care. Or just do it.

We are far too many: > members forever without decreasing quality. Over time, the group decays in quality and I often find groups with >100 members unsustainable. Though there could be a decently small group chat for sufficiently ancient users.

all2 2y ago
We could do cohorts by hashing user uds and bucketing.
- cubefox 2y ago
  Good idea!

localfirst 2y ago

don't see it working out tbh what HN does really well is manage pseudonyms and its low friction of signing up invites bullies/marketers/trolls dang and mod teams have done a fantastic job should put out some sort of "community management science" its tough to build a community from scratch (gone are the days of registering a niche domain + phpBB). you can fake it to a certain degree.

sneak 2y ago

Telegram isn’t end to end encrypted and you should uninstall it from your device.

denysvitali 2y ago
Neither is HN, should I stop using it too? Btw, Telegram is E2E encrypted opt-in
- _djo_ 2y ago
  Not for group chats.
- sneak 2y ago
  HN doesn’t have direct/private messaging. There is no expectation of privacy in public comments. Systems designed around direct messaging that don’t have e2ee should not be used; otherwise you normalize surveillance.
  - denysvitali 2y ago
    I would expect a public chat with 1k+ users to be considered public. Even when E2E encrypted, it just takes one person out of those 1k to leak the whole content - so what's the point? I too advocate for privacy, but for public discussions E2E encryption would make sense only as a mean of certification (person holding the key really wrote the message)
    - sneak 2y ago
      It’s not the groupchat; it’s the DMs that occur in parallel. Telegram would be fine without e2ee if it had no DMs.
      - cubefox 2y ago
        Or if the "DMs" were encrypted by default.

aaron695 2y ago

> It could be cool to have an HN Telegram group Then fucking do it. I think it'd probably fail, but it might not. Importantly it allows iterations. The side group might be the winner. My email is in my profile, I'll try for a month, add your dog, there's your group. I think you'll find "something" already exists. There was a WhatsApp feed. For me it wasn't interesting. Do a search on the archives / Google if you care. Or just do it.