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How the hell does releasing one audio codec undo years and years of privacy nightmare, being a willing bystander in an actual genocide, experimenting with the e

How the hell does releasing one audio codec undo years and years of privacy nightmare, being a willing bystander in an actual genocide, experimenting with the emotions of depressed kids, and collusion to depress wages?

pt_PT_guy 2y ago
they also did release LLM models, and zstd, and mold, and and and... a lot of stuff
- visarga 2y ago
  React and Pytorch compare that to Angular and TensorFlow, such a difference in culture
  - hot_gril 2y ago
    Easy vs tons-o-boilerplate.
- cheema33 2y ago
  Don't forget React. The most popular frontend stack at the moment. Been that way for some time. And GraphQL, Relay, Stylex...
  - XlA5vEKsMISoIln 2y ago
    >React Ah yes, the <body id="app"></body> websites.
    - cztomsik 2y ago
      How is that specific to React? And who would use webapp technology for a website?
      - XlA5vEKsMISoIln 2y ago
        According to cheema33 React is most "popular frontend stack", but I'm not allowed ask questions of why websites demand JS to display basic content... I suppose my reply could have been more _constructive_ as to ask "by whose count" or "how does popularity correspond to quality" but that's like playing chess by one step in front of you. Look, I'm seeing an increase of blogs made with an implication that _infinity_ amount of visits requires less resources than one and I don't just find it true.
    - account42 2y ago
      Yeah, feels more like another reason to hate them for contributing to the enshittification of the web.
- ComputerGuru 2y ago
  zstd and mold are personal projects regardless of employer. That said, I didn’t know mold was written by a meta guy.
  - lucb1e 2y ago
    Zstd is a personal project? Surely it's not by accident in the Facebook GitHub organization? And that you need to sign a contract on code.facebook.com before they'll consider merging any contributions? That seems like an odd claim, unless it used to be a personal project and Facebook took it over (https://github.com/facebook/zstd/blob/dev/CONTRIBUTING.md#contributor-license-agreement-cla https://github.com/facebook/zstd/blob/dev/CONTRIBUTING.md#co...)
    - ComputerGuru 2y ago
      All Google dev’s personal projects are under the Google account on GH for legal reasons. I assume the same for Facebook. I believe fb championed zstd and lets the dev work on it at work but it was a personal project iirc.
- account42 2y ago
  > mold The linker? How is facebook involved in that?
coconut08 2y ago
it isn't just one audio codec. they also released and continue to release the best self hostable large language model weights, they have authored many open source projects that are staples today such as zstandard, react, pytorch
stuxnet79 2y ago
You will need to provide citations on the last point as Facebook are widely known to have broken the gentleman's agreement between Apple and Google that was suppressing tech pay in the early 2010s.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  OK sure even if they didn't do that we're still left with "knowingly abetted a genocide" which no amount of open source work can ever balance out.
  - rylittle 2y ago
    context?
    - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
      https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
      - robertlagrant 2y ago
        This article seems to not really mention the "knowingly" or the "abetted". If there are people killing other people, I wouldn't say that a communication method was to blame. In Scream, Sidney didn't sue the phone company who let the killer call her from inside the house. The idea that some news feed posts whipped people up into a killing frenzy just sounds absurd. I wish the author could see that, and if the case is valid, to provide it, instead of some pretty tenuous claims of connection strung together to lead up to a demand for money. I did try to go to the link that evidenced the "multiple" times Facebook was contacted in a 5 year period, but I couldn't get through. How many times was it, for anyone who can?
        giraffe_lady 2y ago
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yard2010 2y ago
You forgot selling the 2016 US elections to Putin for 100k[0] Good luck undoing that releasing codecs haha [0] https://time.com/4930532/facebook-russian-accounts-2016-election/ https://time.com/4930532/facebook-russian-accounts-2016-elec...
- lovecg 2y ago
  If $100k worth of internet ads can really sway an election boy are we in trouble.

pt_PT_guy 2y ago

they also did release LLM models, and zstd, and mold, and and and... a lot of stuff

visarga 2y ago
React and Pytorch compare that to Angular and TensorFlow, such a difference in culture
- hot_gril 2y ago
  Easy vs tons-o-boilerplate.
cheema33 2y ago
Don't forget React. The most popular frontend stack at the moment. Been that way for some time. And GraphQL, Relay, Stylex...
- XlA5vEKsMISoIln 2y ago
  >React Ah yes, the <body id="app"></body> websites.
  - cztomsik 2y ago
    How is that specific to React? And who would use webapp technology for a website?
    - XlA5vEKsMISoIln 2y ago
      According to cheema33 React is most "popular frontend stack", but I'm not allowed ask questions of why websites demand JS to display basic content... I suppose my reply could have been more _constructive_ as to ask "by whose count" or "how does popularity correspond to quality" but that's like playing chess by one step in front of you. Look, I'm seeing an increase of blogs made with an implication that _infinity_ amount of visits requires less resources than one and I don't just find it true.
  - account42 2y ago
    Yeah, feels more like another reason to hate them for contributing to the enshittification of the web.
ComputerGuru 2y ago
zstd and mold are personal projects regardless of employer. That said, I didn’t know mold was written by a meta guy.
- lucb1e 2y ago
  Zstd is a personal project? Surely it's not by accident in the Facebook GitHub organization? And that you need to sign a contract on code.facebook.com before they'll consider merging any contributions? That seems like an odd claim, unless it used to be a personal project and Facebook took it over (https://github.com/facebook/zstd/blob/dev/CONTRIBUTING.md#contributor-license-agreement-cla https://github.com/facebook/zstd/blob/dev/CONTRIBUTING.md#co...)
  - ComputerGuru 2y ago
    All Google dev’s personal projects are under the Google account on GH for legal reasons. I assume the same for Facebook. I believe fb championed zstd and lets the dev work on it at work but it was a personal project iirc.
account42 2y ago
> mold The linker? How is facebook involved in that?

coconut08 2y ago

it isn't just one audio codec. they also released and continue to release the best self hostable large language model weights, they have authored many open source projects that are staples today such as zstandard, react, pytorch

stuxnet79 2y ago

You will need to provide citations on the last point as Facebook are widely known to have broken the gentleman's agreement between Apple and Google that was suppressing tech pay in the early 2010s.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
OK sure even if they didn't do that we're still left with "knowingly abetted a genocide" which no amount of open source work can ever balance out.
- rylittle 2y ago
  context?
  - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      This article seems to not really mention the "knowingly" or the "abetted". If there are people killing other people, I wouldn't say that a communication method was to blame. In Scream, Sidney didn't sue the phone company who let the killer call her from inside the house. The idea that some news feed posts whipped people up into a killing frenzy just sounds absurd. I wish the author could see that, and if the case is valid, to provide it, instead of some pretty tenuous claims of connection strung together to lead up to a demand for money. I did try to go to the link that evidenced the "multiple" times Facebook was contacted in a 5 year period, but I couldn't get through. How many times was it, for anyone who can?
      - giraffe_lady 2y ago

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yard2010 2y ago

You forgot selling the 2016 US elections to Putin for 100k[0] Good luck undoing that releasing codecs haha [0] https://time.com/4930532/facebook-russian-accounts-2016-election/ https://time.com/4930532/facebook-russian-accounts-2016-elec...

lovecg 2y ago
If $100k worth of internet ads can really sway an election boy are we in trouble.