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> Are there really many situations where a 10kbps connection would actually be stable enough to be usable? Yes there are. We ran on stable low bandwidth connec

> Are there really many situations where a 10kbps connection would actually be stable enough to be usable? Yes there are. We ran on stable low bandwidth connections for a very long time before we had stable high bandwidth connections. A large part of the underdeveloped world has very low bandwidth, and use 5 - 10 Kbps voice channels.

noprocrasted 2y ago
> We ran on stable low bandwidth connections Are you talking about the general "we" or your situation in particular? For the former, yes sure we started with dial-up, then DSL, etc, but back then software was built with these limitations in mind. Constant background traffic for "product improvement" purposes would be completely unthinkable 20 years ago; now it's the norm. All this crap (and associated TLS handshakes) quickly adds up if all you've got is kilobits per second.
- dspillett 2y ago
  > Are you talking about the general "we" I assume the general-ish “we”, where it is general to the likes of you and I (and that zeroxfe). There are likely many in the world stuck at the end of connections run over tech that this “general subset” would consider archaic, and that zeroxfe was implying their connections, while slow, may be similarly stable to ours back then. Also, a low bandwidth stable connection could be one of many multiplexed through a higher bandwidth stable connection.
- zeroxfe 2y ago
  Let's not move the goalposts here :-) The context is an audio codec, not heavyweight web applications, in response to your question "Are there really many situations where a 10kbps connection would actually be stable enough to be usable?" And I'm saying yes, in that context, there are many situations, like VoIP, where 10kbps is usable. Nobody here would argue that 10kbps is usable today for the "typical" browser-based Internet use.

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> Are there really many situations where a 10kbps connection would actually be stable enough to be usable? Yes there are. We ran on stable low bandwidth connec

by zeroxfe 2y ago

noprocrasted 2y ago
> We ran on stable low bandwidth connections Are you talking about the general "we" or your situation in particular? For the former, yes sure we started with dial-up, then DSL, etc, but back then software was built with these limitations in mind. Constant background traffic for "product improvement" purposes would be completely unthinkable 20 years ago; now it's the norm. All this crap (and associated TLS handshakes) quickly adds up if all you've got is kilobits per second.
- dspillett 2y ago
  > Are you talking about the general "we" I assume the general-ish “we”, where it is general to the likes of you and I (and that zeroxfe). There are likely many in the world stuck at the end of connections run over tech that this “general subset” would consider archaic, and that zeroxfe was implying their connections, while slow, may be similarly stable to ours back then. Also, a low bandwidth stable connection could be one of many multiplexed through a higher bandwidth stable connection.
- zeroxfe 2y ago
  Let's not move the goalposts here :-) The context is an audio codec, not heavyweight web applications, in response to your question "Are there really many situations where a 10kbps connection would actually be stable enough to be usable?" And I'm saying yes, in that context, there are many situations, like VoIP, where 10kbps is usable. Nobody here would argue that 10kbps is usable today for the "typical" browser-based Internet use.