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Also, server hardware. It isn't as it is only kept around for those stubborn gamer enthusiast. The enthusiast market more or less is an extra revenue stream for

Also, server hardware. It isn't as it is only kept around for those stubborn gamer enthusiast. The enthusiast market more or less is an extra revenue stream for a lot of hardware that is developed for the server market first. It is a bit more complex than that of course and generally speaking you are right.

kube-system 2y ago
Server hardware has abandoned a good bit of interchangeability too. While you can still usually count on socketed CPUs, socketed memory, and interchangeable storage, there's a lot of proprietary components used on servers beyond that. Motherboard and power supply form factors are often proprietary, and it is not uncommon for expansion cards to be proprietary or non-standard implementations. Things like ATX power supplies, ATX/mATX motherboards, tower cases, are pretty squarely for the PC gaming segment now. It's difficult to even find a "business" motherboard these days, where as 20 years ago, they were nearly all designed with this use-case first. There's ASRock Rack type stuff that targets some custom server-type use cases, but the big server manufacturers make their own proprietary stuff.
- inhumantsar 2y ago
  even supermicro, which used to be the goto for DIY servers, has been trending toward more proprietary (and more expensive) components. there are options out there for itx and matx server chassis, even ATX and EATX. Silverstone in particular has some interesting options for rack mount workstations based around 360mm AIO water-cooling, ATX boards and PSUs, consumer GPUs, etc. though those are meant more for the half and quarter rack enclosures designed to be installed in a home or office environment.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Yeah, ATX/EATX exist, and they probably will exist in non-zero production for another 50 or more years given the historical momentum. But most of the market is Dell/Lenovo/HP/Supermicro (and in China, a couple other players). Silverstone is an absolutely tiny business by comparison. Their US office is 1/6th of a shared warehouse space in an LA suburb, next to a laminate flooring retailer.
neuralRiot 2y ago
Also workstations. Why would i want an RTX 4090 for music production for example. Or a laptop which will be permanently attached to a bigger display a keyboard a mouse and a USB hub.

kube-system 2y ago

Server hardware has abandoned a good bit of interchangeability too. While you can still usually count on socketed CPUs, socketed memory, and interchangeable storage, there's a lot of proprietary components used on servers beyond that. Motherboard and power supply form factors are often proprietary, and it is not uncommon for expansion cards to be proprietary or non-standard implementations. Things like ATX power supplies, ATX/mATX motherboards, tower cases, are pretty squarely for the PC gaming segment now. It's difficult to even find a "business" motherboard these days, where as 20 years ago, they were nearly all designed with this use-case first. There's ASRock Rack type stuff that targets some custom server-type use cases, but the big server manufacturers make their own proprietary stuff.

inhumantsar 2y ago
even supermicro, which used to be the goto for DIY servers, has been trending toward more proprietary (and more expensive) components. there are options out there for itx and matx server chassis, even ATX and EATX. Silverstone in particular has some interesting options for rack mount workstations based around 360mm AIO water-cooling, ATX boards and PSUs, consumer GPUs, etc. though those are meant more for the half and quarter rack enclosures designed to be installed in a home or office environment.
- kube-system 2y ago
  Yeah, ATX/EATX exist, and they probably will exist in non-zero production for another 50 or more years given the historical momentum. But most of the market is Dell/Lenovo/HP/Supermicro (and in China, a couple other players). Silverstone is an absolutely tiny business by comparison. Their US office is 1/6th of a shared warehouse space in an LA suburb, next to a laminate flooring retailer.

neuralRiot 2y ago

Also workstations. Why would i want an RTX 4090 for music production for example. Or a laptop which will be permanently attached to a bigger display a keyboard a mouse and a USB hub.