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There's also the longstanding option dtach, which similarly seems to be a lightweight re-attachable way to run a program. https://github.com/crigler/dtach https

There's also the longstanding option dtach, which similarly seems to be a lightweight re-attachable way to run a program. https://github.com/crigler/dtach https://github.com/crigler/dtach For a while I was running neovim on dtach, which let me host all the terminals I might want. It has long felt weird that we have so recursively many layers of management and navigation: the OS juggling multiple terminals, tmux juggling multiple shells, and neovim juggling multiple windows. I was doing pretty good in full screen neovim for a while, but have backed down a bit, still find tmux navigation a bit faster.

andrewla 2y ago
dtach, abduco, and diss are all mentioned in comparison at the bottom of the page. I've never used diss before, but the other two are good products, but for some reason the ergonomics never quite seem to work out for me and I revert back to tmux. Similarly dvtm, which is a minimalist version of the window management aspects of tmux but omits the session management, also never quite seems to click for me.
Retr0id 2y ago
The readme contains a brief comparison to dtach: https://github.com/shell-pool/shpool?tab=readme-ov-file#dtach-abduco-and-diss https://github.com/shell-pool/shpool?tab=readme-ov-file#dtac... IIUC, the main difference is that shpool maintains an in-memory copy of terminal state that it can use to re-draw after a reconnect, so you don't lose all your scrollback.
zokier 2y ago
> It has long felt weird that we have so recursively many layers of management and navigation: the OS juggling multiple terminals, tmux juggling multiple shells, and neovim juggling multiple windows Tbh that's why I'm not a fan of tmux or terminals with fancy internal window management. I suppose it makes sense if your OS level window management is crap (macos...) but otherwise it feels like poor solution
- Tyr42 2y ago
  But tmux on server survives the laptop sleeping. That's the key value.
- chrisweekly 2y ago
  "if your OS level window management is crap (macos...)" -- in which case Divvy is a great solution. YMMV, but IME, Divvy and iTerm2 cover 98% of the things I'd want to do.

andrewla 2y ago

dtach, abduco, and diss are all mentioned in comparison at the bottom of the page. I've never used diss before, but the other two are good products, but for some reason the ergonomics never quite seem to work out for me and I revert back to tmux. Similarly dvtm, which is a minimalist version of the window management aspects of tmux but omits the session management, also never quite seems to click for me.

Retr0id 2y ago

The readme contains a brief comparison to dtach: https://github.com/shell-pool/shpool?tab=readme-ov-file#dtach-abduco-and-diss https://github.com/shell-pool/shpool?tab=readme-ov-file#dtac... IIUC, the main difference is that shpool maintains an in-memory copy of terminal state that it can use to re-draw after a reconnect, so you don't lose all your scrollback.

zokier 2y ago

> It has long felt weird that we have so recursively many layers of management and navigation: the OS juggling multiple terminals, tmux juggling multiple shells, and neovim juggling multiple windows Tbh that's why I'm not a fan of tmux or terminals with fancy internal window management. I suppose it makes sense if your OS level window management is crap (macos...) but otherwise it feels like poor solution

Tyr42 2y ago
But tmux on server survives the laptop sleeping. That's the key value.
chrisweekly 2y ago
"if your OS level window management is crap (macos...)" -- in which case Divvy is a great solution. YMMV, but IME, Divvy and iTerm2 cover 98% of the things I'd want to do.