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Not sure about other regions, but in the EU, low tech cars are not allowed. Required safety systems include emergency breaking, emergency lane-keeping, intelli

Not sure about other regions, but in the EU, low tech cars are not allowed. Required safety systems include emergency breaking, emergency lane-keeping, intelligent speed assistance (car must use cameras or GPS to determine current speed limit), driver attention warning systems and many more. That fancy screen is really not a cost factor. These days you can buy after-market screens with Car Play and Android auto support for 100 EURs or less. But all the safety systems needs lots of sensors, and also the ability to auto-brake and auto-steer in emergency situations. https://bmdv.bund.de/SharedDocs/EN/Articles/StV/Roadtraffic/new-vehicle-safety-systems.html https://bmdv.bund.de/SharedDocs/EN/Articles/StV/Roadtraffic/...

Kuinox 2y ago
It's wrong, we have the Twizy, the Ami and the Zoe in France. The most technological advanced thing in the Zoe is the Bluetooth to play music.
- tjansen 2y ago
  I guess that's why the Zoe has been discontinued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe Twizy and Ami are not regular passenger vehicles. I am sure there are less requirements for them.
  - Kuinox 2y ago
    Zoe is very popular in France and is being discontinued because it's replaced by the new Alpine A290, that was announced 2 hours ago. Edit: Correction, it's the most popular electric car un Europe. > by the end of 2020, the Zoe ranked as the all-time best selling plug-in car in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Sales_and_markets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Sales_and_markets
    - tjansen 2y ago
      I believe the Zoe's successor is the Renault 5 e (the A290 seems to be a performance version of the 5e). The Renault 5 has advanced ADAS, since it's required for all new cars, and is, according to Renault, "packed with electrical and digital technology": https://media.renault.com/renault-5-e-tech-electric-the-electric-renaulutionary-pop-icon/ https://media.renault.com/renault-5-e-tech-electric-the-elec...
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  The Twizy was at least available as a model that made 80 km/h. The Ami can only go 50 or 45 which makes it usable as a city car only.
raxxorraxor 2y ago
> Not sure about other regions, but in the EU, low tech cars are not allowed. Which is a rather recent development and certainly a protectionist move and will hinder adaptation massively. You need the full suite for lane controls, attention monitoring, emergency brake systems, etc... It is simply impossible to now release low tech cars and it is a political decision by the EU that is highly questionable.
- ofrzeta 2y ago
  Yeah, so called "Vision Zero": "The EU’s long-term goal is to move as close as possible to zero fatalities in road transport by 2050" https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/publications/eu-road-safety-towards-vision-zero_en https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/publications/eu-road-safety-towar...
  - bitwize 2y ago
    It's a good start, but a grander vision would be to reduce or eliminate the need for cars altogether. You can build and sustain a mighty civilization without automobiles at all. Per Poi Dog Pondering: Well the ancient Egyptians and the other Africans The Mayans, the Incas, and all the Polynesians All around the world, a long long time ago People would walk wherever they had to go
    - TillE 2y ago
      Europe has generally done a very good job with urban transit. The real problem is that long-distance train trips cost a fortune, typically several times more than a budget airline. And ticketing systems between countries (within the EU) are poorly integrated. Despite many years of hand-wringing about environmental impacts of air travel, almost nothing has been done to address this.
    - bmoxb 2y ago
      Agreed. Electric cars are frankly a pretty poor solution to the issue of carbon emissions. A far better, more long term solution already exists - high density, walkable neighbourhoods and high frequency, well run public transport systems.
Zanfa 2y ago
> These days you can buy after-market screens with Car Play and Android auto support for 100 EURs or less. Wish this was true. I wanted to buy one for myself, but even the most expensive aftermarket CarPlay units are absolutely terrible. Laggy & unresponsive touch screens, underpowered internals, gaudy designs etc. I wonder why it’s still such a challenge to make something that feels as good as a first gen iPad from 2010.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  > I wonder why it’s still such a challenge to make something that feels as good as a first gen iPad from 2010. Cars have a unique set of operating requirements. During the course of a year, my car could be -40F or 160F inside, depending on if it’s winter or summer. Electronics that operate reliably in that temp range are expensive.
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Kuinox 2y ago

It's wrong, we have the Twizy, the Ami and the Zoe in France. The most technological advanced thing in the Zoe is the Bluetooth to play music.

tjansen 2y ago
I guess that's why the Zoe has been discontinued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe Twizy and Ami are not regular passenger vehicles. I am sure there are less requirements for them.
- Kuinox 2y ago
  Zoe is very popular in France and is being discontinued because it's replaced by the new Alpine A290, that was announced 2 hours ago. Edit: Correction, it's the most popular electric car un Europe. > by the end of 2020, the Zoe ranked as the all-time best selling plug-in car in Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Sales_and_markets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Zoe#Sales_and_markets
  - tjansen 2y ago
    I believe the Zoe's successor is the Renault 5 e (the A290 seems to be a performance version of the 5e). The Renault 5 has advanced ADAS, since it's required for all new cars, and is, according to Renault, "packed with electrical and digital technology": https://media.renault.com/renault-5-e-tech-electric-the-electric-renaulutionary-pop-icon/ https://media.renault.com/renault-5-e-tech-electric-the-elec...
ofrzeta 2y ago
The Twizy was at least available as a model that made 80 km/h. The Ami can only go 50 or 45 which makes it usable as a city car only.

raxxorraxor 2y ago

> Not sure about other regions, but in the EU, low tech cars are not allowed. Which is a rather recent development and certainly a protectionist move and will hinder adaptation massively. You need the full suite for lane controls, attention monitoring, emergency brake systems, etc... It is simply impossible to now release low tech cars and it is a political decision by the EU that is highly questionable.

ofrzeta 2y ago
Yeah, so called "Vision Zero": "The EU’s long-term goal is to move as close as possible to zero fatalities in road transport by 2050" https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/publications/eu-road-safety-towards-vision-zero_en https://cinea.ec.europa.eu/publications/eu-road-safety-towar...
- bitwize 2y ago
  It's a good start, but a grander vision would be to reduce or eliminate the need for cars altogether. You can build and sustain a mighty civilization without automobiles at all. Per Poi Dog Pondering: Well the ancient Egyptians and the other Africans The Mayans, the Incas, and all the Polynesians All around the world, a long long time ago People would walk wherever they had to go
  - TillE 2y ago
    Europe has generally done a very good job with urban transit. The real problem is that long-distance train trips cost a fortune, typically several times more than a budget airline. And ticketing systems between countries (within the EU) are poorly integrated. Despite many years of hand-wringing about environmental impacts of air travel, almost nothing has been done to address this.
  - bmoxb 2y ago
    Agreed. Electric cars are frankly a pretty poor solution to the issue of carbon emissions. A far better, more long term solution already exists - high density, walkable neighbourhoods and high frequency, well run public transport systems.

Zanfa 2y ago

> These days you can buy after-market screens with Car Play and Android auto support for 100 EURs or less. Wish this was true. I wanted to buy one for myself, but even the most expensive aftermarket CarPlay units are absolutely terrible. Laggy & unresponsive touch screens, underpowered internals, gaudy designs etc. I wonder why it’s still such a challenge to make something that feels as good as a first gen iPad from 2010.

quickthrowman 2y ago
> I wonder why it’s still such a challenge to make something that feels as good as a first gen iPad from 2010. Cars have a unique set of operating requirements. During the course of a year, my car could be -40F or 160F inside, depending on if it’s winter or summer. Electronics that operate reliably in that temp range are expensive.

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