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> It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Are they? Boeing had almost nine hundred 737 MAX orders in 2023; in 2024

> It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Are they? Boeing had almost nine hundred 737 MAX orders in 2023; in 2024 they have 66: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_... Three hundred 787 orders in 2023; 10 in 2024: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_... One hundred 777s in 2023, twenty-seven in 2024: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_777_orders_and_... Their numbers are down bigly. And who else are you going to order from? Airbus? How much capacity do they have to build more?

ceejayoz 2y ago
I'd note Airbus is seeing the same pattern. The 737-MAX's A320neo competitor, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_family_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_family_... 1,689 orders in 2023, 154 in 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A220_orders_and_deliveries#By_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A220_orders_and... 141 orders in 2023, negative 12 in 2024. As a result, I presume the explanation is less "no Boeing" and more something like "orders have a reporting lag" or "2023 was a big year for airlines post-COVID".
- _heimdall 2y ago
  These stats alone seem like way more interesting news, suprised I haven't seen that before. I wonder why plane orders from the two biggest manufactures have dropped so dramatically and what it means economically. My mind immediately goes to whether airlines are quietly preparing for an expected downturn, or if airlines aren't selling to corporations because they're selling to governments and militaries. That could definitely be my own preconceptions sneaking in though.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    I wouldn't read too much into it yet; 2023's numbers look like they're abberantly high, which is probably the airlines catching up after the little economic hiccup we all had in 2020.
  - MVissers 2y ago
    Could be related to high interest rates and investments being more expensive. Also, I believe that Airbus has a 10 year backlog on their newest planes, so no point in shelling out a lot of cash right now for 10 years down the line.
bossyTeacher 2y ago
> And who else are you going to order from? Airbus? How much capacity do they have to build more? the obvious choice is not to order rather than ordering faulty places because your greeds tells you that risking people's safety is worth the money you will get

ceejayoz 2y ago

I'd note Airbus is seeing the same pattern. The 737-MAX's A320neo competitor, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_family_orders_and_deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_family_... 1,689 orders in 2023, 154 in 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A220_orders_and_deliveries#By_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A220_orders_and... 141 orders in 2023, negative 12 in 2024. As a result, I presume the explanation is less "no Boeing" and more something like "orders have a reporting lag" or "2023 was a big year for airlines post-COVID".

_heimdall 2y ago
These stats alone seem like way more interesting news, suprised I haven't seen that before. I wonder why plane orders from the two biggest manufactures have dropped so dramatically and what it means economically. My mind immediately goes to whether airlines are quietly preparing for an expected downturn, or if airlines aren't selling to corporations because they're selling to governments and militaries. That could definitely be my own preconceptions sneaking in though.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  I wouldn't read too much into it yet; 2023's numbers look like they're abberantly high, which is probably the airlines catching up after the little economic hiccup we all had in 2020.
- MVissers 2y ago
  Could be related to high interest rates and investments being more expensive. Also, I believe that Airbus has a 10 year backlog on their newest planes, so no point in shelling out a lot of cash right now for 10 years down the line.

bossyTeacher 2y ago

> And who else are you going to order from? Airbus? How much capacity do they have to build more? the obvious choice is not to order rather than ordering faulty places because your greeds tells you that risking people's safety is worth the money you will get