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1) Even if the max had hiccups, plenty of them, it is an absolutely safe airplane by any measure. 2) Your fleet may mostly be formed by Boeing airplanes, havin

1) Even if the max had hiccups, plenty of them, it is an absolutely safe airplane by any measure. 2) Your fleet may mostly be formed by Boeing airplanes, having all of those move to Airbus airplanes is also a safety issue. Pilots have to re-learn and even forget things they accrued and evolved to react instantly for decades. At some point you need to weigh the odds of increasing human error vs relatively safer Airbus alternative 3) Maintenance and logistics conversion would be a huge pain 4) If you order an A320 today, you're gonna get it no sooner than in a decade. Not taking your ordered Max is really not a smart idea. 5) Boeing hasn't received a single new order for max airplanes in two months

throwup238 2y ago
> 1) Even if the max had hiccups, plenty of them, it is an absolutely safe airplane by any measure. Except fatalities.
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  "Some of you might die but that's a sacrifice I am willing to take." - some Boeing suit
- epolanski 2y ago
  Even by fatalities. 737 Maxes have flown more than a couple of million of flights, at least, since they entered service, that puts their fatal incident rate at similar levels of the A320. The only two incidents, also, as you know, were related and both happened 5+ years ago.
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  - sitharus 2y ago
    That’s comparing apples to two sacks of apples, one of which is 30 years older. The A320neo entered service in 2016 and has over 3,000 of the type in service and has zero fatal accidents involving passengers or flight crew (there have been five fatalities from two incidents involving runway incursions by ground crew). There have been no serious in-flight incidents. The 737max was introduced in 2017 and has over 1500 in service, about half of the airbus A320 neo. It has had two fatal accidents resulting in 346 fatalities and one serious in-flight incident. The record is not great. If you want to compare all 737 models back to the first flight of the A320 I’m pretty sure it’ll be closer, but flying is much safer than it was even with the 737max. However I do believe that Boeing will resolve the issues. It will take time to fix the culture that resulted caused them though.
    - rootusrootus 2y ago
      > If you want to compare all 737 models back to the first flight of the A320 That's easy, the 737 has a better record. The 737NG in particular has arguably the best safety record of any airliner ever produced.
amarant 2y ago
Everything is relative, and compared to other airplane models, the 737max has absurdly high rate of fatality flights. The only commercial model in history with a higher rate of fatal crashes, as far as I can tell, was the Concorde. And we don't use those anymore.
- rootusrootus 2y ago
  > Concorde It seems like this would be a pretty big hint that you're looking at statistics the wrong way. When a single fatal crash can make your airliner the 'most dangerous statistically' then perhaps that's not a good airliner to use in any kind of comparison because the number of total flights is way too low to be meaningful.

throwup238 2y ago

> 1) Even if the max had hiccups, plenty of them, it is an absolutely safe airplane by any measure. Except fatalities.

BoredPositron 2y ago
"Some of you might die but that's a sacrifice I am willing to take." - some Boeing suit
epolanski 2y ago
Even by fatalities. 737 Maxes have flown more than a couple of million of flights, at least, since they entered service, that puts their fatal incident rate at similar levels of the A320. The only two incidents, also, as you know, were related and both happened 5+ years ago.
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- sitharus 2y ago
  That’s comparing apples to two sacks of apples, one of which is 30 years older. The A320neo entered service in 2016 and has over 3,000 of the type in service and has zero fatal accidents involving passengers or flight crew (there have been five fatalities from two incidents involving runway incursions by ground crew). There have been no serious in-flight incidents. The 737max was introduced in 2017 and has over 1500 in service, about half of the airbus A320 neo. It has had two fatal accidents resulting in 346 fatalities and one serious in-flight incident. The record is not great. If you want to compare all 737 models back to the first flight of the A320 I’m pretty sure it’ll be closer, but flying is much safer than it was even with the 737max. However I do believe that Boeing will resolve the issues. It will take time to fix the culture that resulted caused them though.
  - rootusrootus 2y ago
    > If you want to compare all 737 models back to the first flight of the A320 That's easy, the 737 has a better record. The 737NG in particular has arguably the best safety record of any airliner ever produced.

amarant 2y ago

Everything is relative, and compared to other airplane models, the 737max has absurdly high rate of fatality flights. The only commercial model in history with a higher rate of fatal crashes, as far as I can tell, was the Concorde. And we don't use those anymore.

rootusrootus 2y ago
> Concorde It seems like this would be a pretty big hint that you're looking at statistics the wrong way. When a single fatal crash can make your airliner the 'most dangerous statistically' then perhaps that's not a good airliner to use in any kind of comparison because the number of total flights is way too low to be meaningful.