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I get such a laugh out of the negative sentiment about Tesla and Musk on HN. Such a predictable crowd.

amitrip 2y ago
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cbeach 2y ago
#MuskDerangementSyndrome. When Trump left office, leftwing folk needed a replacement boogeyman for their Two Minutes Hate. Musk hate is entirely political.
- peutetre 2y ago
  Or maybe it's because Musk runs around calling people pedophiles: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/03/media/elon-musk-testifies/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/03/media/elon-musk-testifies... Maybe it's because his behavior is increasingly erratic and he doesn't seem to care about Tesla anymore: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2024/06/11/elon-doesnt-care-about-tesla-anymore-musks-biggest-fans-are-turning-on-him/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2024/06/11/elon-doe... Maybe it's because Tesla employees describe him as a pigeon CEO because "he comes in, shits all over us, and then leaves.": https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-tesla-manager/ https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t... Maybe it's because he advocates for the submission of Taiwan to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... And for the submission of Ukraine to Russia: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-russian-war-plan-infuriates-ukraine-on-twitter-volodymyr-zelenskyy/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-russian-war-plan-infu... Maybe it's because he says "China rocks" while the US is full of "complacency and entitlement": https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro... Maybe it's because he pledged his commitment to China's core socialist values: https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledging-teslas-commitment-to-chinas-core-socialist-values/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledgin... Maybe it's because he called California's covid measures "fascist": https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-coronavirus-fascist-shelter-in-place-tesla-covid-19-safety-science https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-corona... But praised China because "Shanghai's COVID-19 measures helped lay the foundation for the city's future development": https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-suspends-production-shanghai-factory-4-days-comply-with-covid-curbs-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... Maybe it's because in 2016 Tesla claimed "that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Maybe it's because Tesla lies about things as dumb as quarter mile times. There's simply no need to lie about it, but lying is just too much a part of the company culture: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... And so on and so forth. There's a lot not to like.
  - cbeach 2y ago
    You make some very sinophobic arguments in your posts. While I think it's right for the West to be cautious about China, I don't think wanting to cooperate with China makes a man a bad person. Your post also quotes a number of opinion pieces that are politically partisan against Musk. It's easy to compile a list of hit pieces against a popular individual if you go looking in sources like Electrek, whose editor Fred Lambert spends most of his time bashing Elon on Twitter (usually without much substance, and certainly without any semblance of balance)
    - peutetre 2y ago
      > You make some very sinophobic arguments in your posts There is nothing sinophobic in seeing China as it is. There's nothing russophobic in seeing Russia as it is. There's nothing Muskophobic in seeing Musk as he is. > I don't think wanting to cooperate with China makes a man a bad person. Musk offers up plenty of criticisms of the US government. Here's a fun exercise for you: show me a single criticism of the Chinese government from Musk. > It's easy to compile a list of hit pieces Uh huh. Tell me, have you (like Musk) pledged your commitment to China's core socialist values?

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#MuskDerangementSyndrome. When Trump left office, leftwing folk needed a replacement boogeyman for their Two Minutes Hate. Musk hate is entirely political.

peutetre 2y ago
Or maybe it's because Musk runs around calling people pedophiles: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/03/media/elon-musk-testifies/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/03/media/elon-musk-testifies... Maybe it's because his behavior is increasingly erratic and he doesn't seem to care about Tesla anymore: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2024/06/11/elon-doesnt-care-about-tesla-anymore-musks-biggest-fans-are-turning-on-him/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2024/06/11/elon-doe... Maybe it's because Tesla employees describe him as a pigeon CEO because "he comes in, shits all over us, and then leaves.": https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-tesla-manager/ https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t... Maybe it's because he advocates for the submission of Taiwan to China: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk-taiwan-china-special-administrative-zone-hong-kong https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/oct/08/elon-musk... And for the submission of Ukraine to Russia: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-russian-war-plan-infuriates-ukraine-on-twitter-volodymyr-zelenskyy/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-russian-war-plan-infu... Maybe it's because he says "China rocks" while the US is full of "complacency and entitlement": https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-rocks-us-full-of-entitlement.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-china-ro... Maybe it's because he pledged his commitment to China's core socialist values: https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledging-teslas-commitment-to-chinas-core-socialist-values/ https://www.mediaite.com/news/elon-musk-signs-letter-pledgin... Maybe it's because he called California's covid measures "fascist": https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-coronavirus-fascist-shelter-in-place-tesla-covid-19-safety-science https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/29/21242102/elon-musk-corona... But praised China because "Shanghai's COVID-19 measures helped lay the foundation for the city's future development": https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-suspends-production-shanghai-factory-4-days-comply-with-covid-curbs-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... Maybe it's because in 2016 Tesla claimed "that, as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Maybe it's because Tesla lies about things as dumb as quarter mile times. There's simply no need to lie about it, but lying is just too much a part of the company culture: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs-porsche-911-carrera-t-drag-race-towing-rematch/ https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-beast-vs... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J3H8--CQRE https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... And so on and so forth. There's a lot not to like.
- cbeach 2y ago
  You make some very sinophobic arguments in your posts. While I think it's right for the West to be cautious about China, I don't think wanting to cooperate with China makes a man a bad person. Your post also quotes a number of opinion pieces that are politically partisan against Musk. It's easy to compile a list of hit pieces against a popular individual if you go looking in sources like Electrek, whose editor Fred Lambert spends most of his time bashing Elon on Twitter (usually without much substance, and certainly without any semblance of balance)
  - peutetre 2y ago
    > You make some very sinophobic arguments in your posts There is nothing sinophobic in seeing China as it is. There's nothing russophobic in seeing Russia as it is. There's nothing Muskophobic in seeing Musk as he is. > I don't think wanting to cooperate with China makes a man a bad person. Musk offers up plenty of criticisms of the US government. Here's a fun exercise for you: show me a single criticism of the Chinese government from Musk. > It's easy to compile a list of hit pieces Uh huh. Tell me, have you (like Musk) pledged your commitment to China's core socialist values?