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Yes because it is a breach to the principle of jurisdiction and it's ultimately based on American imperialism. Mind you, Id gladly have pedos and banana execs

Yes because it is a breach to the principle of jurisdiction and it's ultimately based on American imperialism. Mind you, Id gladly have pedos and banana execs shot in public.

caf 2y ago
The relevant principle of jurisdiction here is that a state has jurisdiction over the acts of its citizens. It's not uncommon and it's certainly not just a US thing (eg. here is a Brazilian court convicting one of its citizens over a murder committed in Australia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/cecilia-haddad-murder-lane-cove-sydney-australia-2018-mario-marcelo-santoro-sentenced-27-years-jail https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/cecilia-haddad... ).
- rustcleaner 2y ago
  I don't need no stinkin' god (State)!
shiroiushi 2y ago
The thing that's a bit scary about that Travel Act is: what happens when US laws change? Instead of having sex with minors, suppose the US elected some crazy religious zealots who managed to make it illegal to have sex outside of heterosexual marriage, after getting abortion banned (so, not exactly far-fetched). So does that mean that all "US persons" (citizens, green card holders, residents, etc.) who travel (or live) outside the US and have sex with someone they're not married to are now criminals?
- refurb 2y ago
  This is the key. Everyone is happy to give the government extra power for things they don’t like but rarely consider they would use it for things they don’t like
- rustcleaner 2y ago
  >So does that mean that all "US persons" (citizens, green card holders, residents, etc.) who travel (or live) outside the US and have sex with someone they're not married to are now criminals? If we're keeping with consistency... yes.
kjkjadksj 2y ago
What might you say about war crimes? When was the last time we had a large scale war within the borders of the U.S.? Should the wars that have taken place since been free of such prosecution since they were overseas?

Yes because it is a breach to the principle of jurisdiction and it's ultimately based on American imperialism. Mind you, Id gladly have pedos and banana execs shot in public.

caf 2y ago

The relevant principle of jurisdiction here is that a state has jurisdiction over the acts of its citizens. It's not uncommon and it's certainly not just a US thing (eg. here is a Brazilian court convicting one of its citizens over a murder committed in Australia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/cecilia-haddad-murder-lane-cove-sydney-australia-2018-mario-marcelo-santoro-sentenced-27-years-jail https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/cecilia-haddad... ).

rustcleaner 2y ago
I don't need no stinkin' god (State)!

shiroiushi 2y ago

The thing that's a bit scary about that Travel Act is: what happens when US laws change? Instead of having sex with minors, suppose the US elected some crazy religious zealots who managed to make it illegal to have sex outside of heterosexual marriage, after getting abortion banned (so, not exactly far-fetched). So does that mean that all "US persons" (citizens, green card holders, residents, etc.) who travel (or live) outside the US and have sex with someone they're not married to are now criminals?

refurb 2y ago
This is the key. Everyone is happy to give the government extra power for things they don’t like but rarely consider they would use it for things they don’t like
rustcleaner 2y ago
>So does that mean that all "US persons" (citizens, green card holders, residents, etc.) who travel (or live) outside the US and have sex with someone they're not married to are now criminals? If we're keeping with consistency... yes.

kjkjadksj 2y ago

What might you say about war crimes? When was the last time we had a large scale war within the borders of the U.S.? Should the wars that have taken place since been free of such prosecution since they were overseas?