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Are you aware of the history of labor organizing in the states...? Not meant as an attack, I'm genuinely wondering. Strike breakers routinely killed people, des

Are you aware of the history of labor organizing in the states...? Not meant as an attack, I'm genuinely wondering. Strike breakers routinely killed people, destroyed property, cars would have sticks of dynamite chucked into them, and famously the coal miners blew up a fucking bridge. I think people tend to think that modern politics is how all politics was done and... nah. Before we had more robust judicial, communication, and surveillance systems, if someone threatened your business and you were wealthy enough, having them killed and dumped in a bog was 100% on the fuckin table.

lesuorac 2y ago
Even recent times aren't that great either. With eBay heavily implying they were going to murder a reviewer over bad reviews. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60073359/steiner-v-ebay-inc/?page=1 https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60073359/steiner-v-ebay...
stavros 2y ago
> Are you aware of the history of labor organizing in the states...? No, I'm not. It sounds like a very interesting read, though. I don't think those things tended to happen over here, beyond mafia-style illegal dealings.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Americans get taught a weird fictionalized version of their own history where political violence ended at the Civil War, conveniently overlooking anything that might be awkward to explain in the present day. Little things like General MacArthur opening fire on veterans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army ; MOVE bombings; Tulsa massacre https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/tulsa-supreme-court-lawsuit https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/tuls... ; the general high levels of violence in the civil rights era; lynching, and so on. The Pinkerton detective agency has a long history of being the go-to contractors for corporate violence against labour organisers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    One of my favorite stories from the Civil Rights era is the fact that California created the template for modern gun control as a direct response to the Black Panthers policing the Police with open-carried guns (just like, standing there, armed, while police did their jobs in Black communities), and the white establishment at the time absolutely shit bricks at the notion of the negro having firepower and demanded it be regulated by none other than Governor Ronald Reagan.

lesuorac 2y ago

Even recent times aren't that great either. With eBay heavily implying they were going to murder a reviewer over bad reviews. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60073359/steiner-v-ebay-inc/?page=1 https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60073359/steiner-v-ebay...

stavros 2y ago

> Are you aware of the history of labor organizing in the states...? No, I'm not. It sounds like a very interesting read, though. I don't think those things tended to happen over here, beyond mafia-style illegal dealings.

pjc50 2y ago
Americans get taught a weird fictionalized version of their own history where political violence ended at the Civil War, conveniently overlooking anything that might be awkward to explain in the present day. Little things like General MacArthur opening fire on veterans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army ; MOVE bombings; Tulsa massacre https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/tulsa-supreme-court-lawsuit https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/12/tuls... ; the general high levels of violence in the civil rights era; lynching, and so on. The Pinkerton detective agency has a long history of being the go-to contractors for corporate violence against labour organisers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  One of my favorite stories from the Civil Rights era is the fact that California created the template for modern gun control as a direct response to the Black Panthers policing the Police with open-carried guns (just like, standing there, armed, while police did their jobs in Black communities), and the white establishment at the time absolutely shit bricks at the notion of the negro having firepower and demanded it be regulated by none other than Governor Ronald Reagan.