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> App Store and Google Play sucks in every way. Discovery is awful. Their approach is awful. ~30% of Apple's total value could be attributed to the App Store a

> App Store and Google Play sucks in every way. Discovery is awful. Their approach is awful. ~30% of Apple's total value could be attributed to the App Store alone. That's a ~$1T company. If you think the product is awful - I don't know what to tell you. Next, are you going to tell me the iPhone is awful and Nvidia's GPUs, too? Look, just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it's awful. The App Store could be better. It doesn't suck.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
99% of people opening the App Store are not opening it to solve a problem with software. They’re opening it because it is the only way to install Disney+, ChatGPT or whatever thing they’ve heard of through a $10m-$1b of ad budget and ubiquity in the discourse. Compare to Steam where most people opening it are doing so to launch games and learn more about other new games. The App Store sucks. Lots of things suck and make money, tons of money. OPEC absolutely sucks and makes tons of money, are you going to tell me “OPEC could be better. It doesn’t suck.” Monopolies and cartels don’t just suck, they are horrible, they are the biggest antagonists in our lives, because everyone’s income is someone else’s expense, and we don’t all work for Apple or OPEC.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  Your first paragraph raises some very good points. I am concerned about this last point: > The App Store sucks. Can you give some specifics? Do any other app store do it better?
  - pineaux 2y ago
    So much about it sucks. I am actually amazed when an app I want is actually on the app store. It needs an iCloud log in, so you can't install free software on a kiosk without a throw away account. Which is hard to set up. Why do you first need to 'get' an app and then install it? How many affirmations do you need?
    - throwaway2037 2y ago
      Ok, these are good points. I was not aware. Thanks to share. It sounds like the "friction" to use Apple AppStore is much too high. Do you think this is done in the name of security or tracking users' behaviour?
darby_nine 2y ago
The value is in the lock in, though. This absolutely sucks for consumers and the profit is just an indication of market inefficiency. We need to be able to force competition to bring the valuation of the app store and the value the hardware provides users in line with the potential of the technology. If apple truly is bringing the market what it wants at a price folks find reasonable surely this competition wouldn't impact anything!

doctorpangloss 2y ago

99% of people opening the App Store are not opening it to solve a problem with software. They’re opening it because it is the only way to install Disney+, ChatGPT or whatever thing they’ve heard of through a $10m-$1b of ad budget and ubiquity in the discourse. Compare to Steam where most people opening it are doing so to launch games and learn more about other new games. The App Store sucks. Lots of things suck and make money, tons of money. OPEC absolutely sucks and makes tons of money, are you going to tell me “OPEC could be better. It doesn’t suck.” Monopolies and cartels don’t just suck, they are horrible, they are the biggest antagonists in our lives, because everyone’s income is someone else’s expense, and we don’t all work for Apple or OPEC.

throwaway2037 2y ago
Your first paragraph raises some very good points. I am concerned about this last point: > The App Store sucks. Can you give some specifics? Do any other app store do it better?
- pineaux 2y ago
  So much about it sucks. I am actually amazed when an app I want is actually on the app store. It needs an iCloud log in, so you can't install free software on a kiosk without a throw away account. Which is hard to set up. Why do you first need to 'get' an app and then install it? How many affirmations do you need?
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    Ok, these are good points. I was not aware. Thanks to share. It sounds like the "friction" to use Apple AppStore is much too high. Do you think this is done in the name of security or tracking users' behaviour?

darby_nine 2y ago

The value is in the lock in, though. This absolutely sucks for consumers and the profit is just an indication of market inefficiency. We need to be able to force competition to bring the valuation of the app store and the value the hardware provides users in line with the potential of the technology. If apple truly is bringing the market what it wants at a price folks find reasonable surely this competition wouldn't impact anything!