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sounds like it'll take some work . but these are some great ideas thanks for talking through it.

by tonymet 2y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
I'm not following; what will take work / what ideas? I'm describing existing software that ships and works today.
- tonymet 2y ago
  Look it's a bunch of theory right now. From what I can tell, your examples would still need integrating into AOSP-- not something that is running right now. I may have a different definition of "shipped" but this wouldn't meet my bar and seems to be more work. It's possible you are a wizard and I'm a novice so I can't wait to see your demo soon.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    No, it's not a theory; I'm describing to you how Android has worked for at least the last decade. If you have an Android phone, this is how the device in your hand works today.
    - tonymet 2y ago
      ok how do I run a linux VM on my phone? It's not as simple as a command or click as it is on chromeOS is now. All of the concepts as you've described will take some dev time to actually turn into a product. It took Google years to make Linux VMs part of the ChromeOS product and that was with a working hack solution already available for them. My point is that your theory will not be shippable on day one.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        It appears that you and I are having different conversations. I said that 1. it is currently possible to run a terminal on Android, which lets you run commands as an unprivileged user on the Android system, and 2. both Android "typical" Linux are perfectly capable of booting into a graphical environment, though non-Android Linuxes frequently allow you to boot to a virtual terminal as well preferentially. Having gone through the whole thread, I guess by "is there an android terminal?" you actually meant to ask "is there an android terminal that gives you a shell inside a transparent VM like ChromeOS does with Crostini?" If that's what you mean, then it's true that that's less developed (though it does exist - https://www.esper.io/blog/android-dessert-bites-13-virtualization-on-pixel-6-379185 https://www.esper.io/blog/android-dessert-bites-13-virtualiz... is one of the better practical guides I've seen for "how do I run a linux VM on my phone?"). Although if that's the main thing you're asking about, I don't understand why we're talking about boot processes at all; VMs in both Android and ChromeOS (and server and desktop Linux, while we're mentioning) are more or less just fancy user applications, they don't affect the boot process.
        tonymet 2y ago
        What are you looking for ? Thumbs up on your hackernews design doc?
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        You asked questions, I tried to answer. If you don't like answers, I suggest that you not ask questions.

sounds like it'll take some work . but these are some great ideas thanks for talking through it.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

I'm not following; what will take work / what ideas? I'm describing existing software that ships and works today.

tonymet 2y ago
Look it's a bunch of theory right now. From what I can tell, your examples would still need integrating into AOSP-- not something that is running right now. I may have a different definition of "shipped" but this wouldn't meet my bar and seems to be more work. It's possible you are a wizard and I'm a novice so I can't wait to see your demo soon.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  No, it's not a theory; I'm describing to you how Android has worked for at least the last decade. If you have an Android phone, this is how the device in your hand works today.
  - tonymet 2y ago
    ok how do I run a linux VM on my phone? It's not as simple as a command or click as it is on chromeOS is now. All of the concepts as you've described will take some dev time to actually turn into a product. It took Google years to make Linux VMs part of the ChromeOS product and that was with a working hack solution already available for them. My point is that your theory will not be shippable on day one.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      It appears that you and I are having different conversations. I said that 1. it is currently possible to run a terminal on Android, which lets you run commands as an unprivileged user on the Android system, and 2. both Android "typical" Linux are perfectly capable of booting into a graphical environment, though non-Android Linuxes frequently allow you to boot to a virtual terminal as well preferentially. Having gone through the whole thread, I guess by "is there an android terminal?" you actually meant to ask "is there an android terminal that gives you a shell inside a transparent VM like ChromeOS does with Crostini?" If that's what you mean, then it's true that that's less developed (though it does exist - https://www.esper.io/blog/android-dessert-bites-13-virtualization-on-pixel-6-379185 https://www.esper.io/blog/android-dessert-bites-13-virtualiz... is one of the better practical guides I've seen for "how do I run a linux VM on my phone?"). Although if that's the main thing you're asking about, I don't understand why we're talking about boot processes at all; VMs in both Android and ChromeOS (and server and desktop Linux, while we're mentioning) are more or less just fancy user applications, they don't affect the boot process.
      - tonymet 2y ago
        What are you looking for ? Thumbs up on your hackernews design doc?
        yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        You asked questions, I tried to answer. If you don't like answers, I suggest that you not ask questions.