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Of course it’s not nearly as much as it should be, but it is certainly a step in the right direction.

anigbrowl 2y ago
Incrementalism normalizes dystopia, in my view; this becomes just another contingency that can be budgeted for. Imagine, by contrast, the impact that executing one Chiquita executive would have.
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- evulhotdog 2y ago
  I don’t know if I necessarily agree with eye for an eye mentality, but risk of prison or enough money that it makes you actually consider your decisions, seems like a better path. The goal being that it is enough so that it cannot and should not be planned for and can’t be covered by insurance or similar.
  - Tao3300 2y ago
    > risk of prison Ship a couple of them to La Modelo
  - germandiago 2y ago
    Bukele did not think the same and he was right.
- debo_ 2y ago
  Perhaps they would hire two executives.
- digging 2y ago
  I agree with wanting stronger action, but incremental change isn't incompatible with revolutionary vision. We can say, "Yes, this is a good move, and I still want the other 99% of the work done." It is likely that at some point we'd have to move faster than 1% at a time, but it's easier to get up to speed when you're already moving vs standing still.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  > Incrementalism normalizes dystopia Radicalism creates dystopia in the first place (e.g., the USSR was far more dystopic).
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    It can certainly exacerbate it. I'm less sure about creation; Tsarist Russia was not a nice place for anyone but the aristocracy, and life was also highly precarious in China before Mao came along - the Taiping Rebellion is estimated to have killed as much as 10% of the population, while China's population grew close to 50% during Mao's tenure despite the death of tens of millions from starvation. I'm not communist, but it has arguably been a good fit for underdeveloped agrarian societies that feel a strategic need to industrialize rapidly without giving up political/industrial autonomy. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/public/communism_modernization.pdf https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/publ...
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Incrementalism normalizes dystopia, in my view; this becomes just another contingency that can be budgeted for. Imagine, by contrast, the impact that executing one Chiquita executive would have.

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evulhotdog 2y ago
I don’t know if I necessarily agree with eye for an eye mentality, but risk of prison or enough money that it makes you actually consider your decisions, seems like a better path. The goal being that it is enough so that it cannot and should not be planned for and can’t be covered by insurance or similar.
- Tao3300 2y ago
  > risk of prison Ship a couple of them to La Modelo
- germandiago 2y ago
  Bukele did not think the same and he was right.
debo_ 2y ago
Perhaps they would hire two executives.
digging 2y ago
I agree with wanting stronger action, but incremental change isn't incompatible with revolutionary vision. We can say, "Yes, this is a good move, and I still want the other 99% of the work done." It is likely that at some point we'd have to move faster than 1% at a time, but it's easier to get up to speed when you're already moving vs standing still.
cscurmudgeon 2y ago
> Incrementalism normalizes dystopia Radicalism creates dystopia in the first place (e.g., the USSR was far more dystopic).
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  It can certainly exacerbate it. I'm less sure about creation; Tsarist Russia was not a nice place for anyone but the aristocracy, and life was also highly precarious in China before Mao came along - the Taiping Rebellion is estimated to have killed as much as 10% of the population, while China's population grew close to 50% during Mao's tenure despite the death of tens of millions from starvation. I'm not communist, but it has arguably been a good fit for underdeveloped agrarian societies that feel a strategic need to industrialize rapidly without giving up political/industrial autonomy. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/public/communism_modernization.pdf https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/staff/mharrison/publ...

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