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Could you talk a bit about those reasons, I am genuinely curious. There's too much noise and very little meaningful discussion on the topic.

Izkata 2y ago
Different person, but off the top of my head: * mRNA vaccines were brand-new (Pfizer and Moderna's covid vaccines were the first ever), and until 2019 were deemed not safe for human use, not because of the mRNA but because the lipid nanoparticle used for delivery had a toxic effect on cell walls. There was supposedly some sort of breakthrough that year that fixed it. * The people most suspicious of the vaccines were actually looking into the science and whenever they brought up valid questions, it was just dismissed with the weakest of strawmen. For example, when they were talking about reverse transcription enzymes, the rebuttal was an overly simplistic "these vaccines don't change your DNA" without even addressing what they brought up. They later found studies showing human liver cells can convert the mRNA vaccines into free-floating DNA. * The lies that started in early 2021 about stopping infection. None of the manufacturers claimed that, it came from media and politicians that didn't understand the press releases. For those of us paying attention to the vaccines in 2020, this was a well-known open question. * Stopping the short-term safety trials three months early (the halfway point) when preliminary testing got an unexpectedly good result. * The reported side-effects in those trials were completely suppressed in favor of the "safe and effective" mantra. * Related to "effective" - The majority of reporting was on the population as a whole, rather than any sort of breakdown by demographics like age. If you were under 30 years old, even with the inflated numbers from early 2020 you were at less risk than from the yearly flu. For that age group, especially with no comorbidities, the vaccines were nearly all risk with no reward, but the push was for everyone to get them anyway.
- elevatedastalt 2y ago
  Great points. I think the biggest crime that happened was the completely institutional takeover of the narrative by mainstream media and big corps (Google, FB, Twitter) etc.

Izkata 2y ago

Different person, but off the top of my head: * mRNA vaccines were brand-new (Pfizer and Moderna's covid vaccines were the first ever), and until 2019 were deemed not safe for human use, not because of the mRNA but because the lipid nanoparticle used for delivery had a toxic effect on cell walls. There was supposedly some sort of breakthrough that year that fixed it. * The people most suspicious of the vaccines were actually looking into the science and whenever they brought up valid questions, it was just dismissed with the weakest of strawmen. For example, when they were talking about reverse transcription enzymes, the rebuttal was an overly simplistic "these vaccines don't change your DNA" without even addressing what they brought up. They later found studies showing human liver cells can convert the mRNA vaccines into free-floating DNA. * The lies that started in early 2021 about stopping infection. None of the manufacturers claimed that, it came from media and politicians that didn't understand the press releases. For those of us paying attention to the vaccines in 2020, this was a well-known open question. * Stopping the short-term safety trials three months early (the halfway point) when preliminary testing got an unexpectedly good result. * The reported side-effects in those trials were completely suppressed in favor of the "safe and effective" mantra. * Related to "effective" - The majority of reporting was on the population as a whole, rather than any sort of breakdown by demographics like age. If you were under 30 years old, even with the inflated numbers from early 2020 you were at less risk than from the yearly flu. For that age group, especially with no comorbidities, the vaccines were nearly all risk with no reward, but the push was for everyone to get them anyway.

elevatedastalt 2y ago
Great points. I think the biggest crime that happened was the completely institutional takeover of the narrative by mainstream media and big corps (Google, FB, Twitter) etc.