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> SpaceX is a mix of mindblowing engineering with sometimes baffling decisions. I can never help but wonder how much input Elon has, and if he is responsible fo

> SpaceX is a mix of mindblowing engineering with sometimes baffling decisions. I can never help but wonder how much input Elon has, and if he is responsible for all those questionable choices, as he honestly appears to be a bit of a idiot. Let me get this straight. You believe that Stoke space is somehow the near perfect design. The designer or Shuttle and Starship were probably idiots for not coming up with the same ideas as Stoke. But maybe the reason that they are so dumb, is simply because Musk is part of the design team. Maybe you should consider, just maybe, that if Starship isn't exactly like Stoke spaces design, it could have actual reasons. Maybe, just maybe the most successful rocket company in history had actual technical reason for their design choices. But no that couldn't be it, could it? But instead of asking the saying 'Stoke Space design seems really awesome, I wonder why SpaceX made difference choices', you just jumped to 'well Musk is cringe and therefore that must be the reason'.

everyone 2y ago
"You believe that Stoke space is somehow the near perfect design" - I said I much prefer it to starship, not that it's near perfect. "The designer or Shuttle and Starship were probably idiots" - I dont know much about the design of Starship, that stuff is not in the public domain atm. But the space shuttle designers were not idiots, they just had to deal with some impossible requirements from higher up. The space shuttle as-built has some clearly bad design elements (eg. the shuttle itself not being on top of the stack at launch, as it was in the original design). It had a famously long and torturous design process with many different stakeholders all wanting it to be capable of wildly different missions. Just one example: https://youtu.be/_q2i0eu35aY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/_q2i0eu35aY?feature=shared So one could say management meddling with the design is what killed the space shuttle. I am wondering is the same meddling happening in SpaceX?
- vvillena 2y ago
  Starship famously has one mandated mission: colonizing Mars. Most design decisions revolve around it.
- forgot-im-old 2y ago
  On Musk making Starship decisions: "Elon’s direct engineering management style may help him maintain alignment between Mars-oriented designs and the greater defense-oriented requirements of an SDI system" https://grook.ai/saved_session?id=e269e88a7b1a71eff4f176c864b30161 https://grook.ai/saved_session?id=e269e88a7b1a71eff4f176c864...
- panick21_ 2y ago
  Im just baffled that you seem uninterested in actually consider technical reasons of why Starship is not the same as Stoke space. The only thing you seem to wonder about if it is managment meddling. Of course we dont know exactly why each decition was taken, but there are some pretty clear technical reasons that one could think about before using 'cringe' as an explnaition.

everyone 2y ago

"You believe that Stoke space is somehow the near perfect design" - I said I much prefer it to starship, not that it's near perfect. "The designer or Shuttle and Starship were probably idiots" - I dont know much about the design of Starship, that stuff is not in the public domain atm. But the space shuttle designers were not idiots, they just had to deal with some impossible requirements from higher up. The space shuttle as-built has some clearly bad design elements (eg. the shuttle itself not being on top of the stack at launch, as it was in the original design). It had a famously long and torturous design process with many different stakeholders all wanting it to be capable of wildly different missions. Just one example: https://youtu.be/_q2i0eu35aY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/_q2i0eu35aY?feature=shared So one could say management meddling with the design is what killed the space shuttle. I am wondering is the same meddling happening in SpaceX?

vvillena 2y ago
Starship famously has one mandated mission: colonizing Mars. Most design decisions revolve around it.
forgot-im-old 2y ago
On Musk making Starship decisions: "Elon’s direct engineering management style may help him maintain alignment between Mars-oriented designs and the greater defense-oriented requirements of an SDI system" https://grook.ai/saved_session?id=e269e88a7b1a71eff4f176c864b30161 https://grook.ai/saved_session?id=e269e88a7b1a71eff4f176c864...
panick21_ 2y ago
Im just baffled that you seem uninterested in actually consider technical reasons of why Starship is not the same as Stoke space. The only thing you seem to wonder about if it is managment meddling. Of course we dont know exactly why each decition was taken, but there are some pretty clear technical reasons that one could think about before using 'cringe' as an explnaition.