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Hybrid working from home improves retention without damaging performance

26 points by rustoo 2y ago

silenced_trope 2y ago
Working from home has become a class marker. Tech workers who work from home are seen as having more freedom and higher salaries than those that "have to be" in the office. Additionally I'm watching a Netflix reality show "Married at First Sight" (kinda lame tbh) where often times this comes up as a matter of an individual being at a state of their career where they're more advanced: "I need someone who works from home because I do and I like to travel a lot", "It's important for me to be with someone who is in a place career wise where they can set their own schedule" or just "You work from home? Nice! Me too!" Or it goes the other way: "You don't work remote? So you have to go in to the office?" with the undertone being one of disappointment, as if the person has less free agency and is in a worse place career wise than someone who doesn't have to go to the office.
- drewrv 2y ago
  My anecdotal experience regarding pay has been the opposite, at least here in Seattle. The employers who require people to come in a few days a week are all big corps who pay quite well. I wonder if the relative pay depends on the cost of living. If you're in a small town with limited local opportunities then you can get a higher salary by searching for remote work. But if you're in a high cost of living city then the employers who require you to be there have to pay enough to make it worthwhile.
  - mingus88 2y ago
    Having just battled the job market, many offers for remote work take your CoL into account; they aren’t paying Seattle salaries to people who live in MN. I went from a fully remote role to a hybrid role when I switched. I was successfully able to negotiate upwards because if they are going to require me to commute, then I will need more cash to cover that expense. It was the easiest negotiation I have ever done. (So now I commute into a mostly empty office to join the same webexes, but if that’s how they want to spend their money, that’s their business. My workday still ends at the same time)
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    There's also the smaller companies that maybe can't afford to pay what a big corp can, but they can offer WFH or other schedule flexiblity to stay competitive.
    - arresin 2y ago
      Have seen this first hand.
- fundad 2y ago
  For a life partner, I looked for markers of maturity. For some workers to make sure they do their job, they have to be in the office. Some workers can't do their job without using other people's time throughout the day. If you can work from home, there might be other responsibilities that you approach differently than other potential mates.
  - daseiner1 2y ago
    talk about an incredibly weak signal. seems to me that you’re primarily filtering for personality, not responsibility (which is your prerogative, of course). for instance “can’t do their job without using other people’s time throughout the day” is a loaded comment that really just indicates how you view working with others.
    - fundad 2y ago
      Thanks, this sounds reasonable. I don't think the reality stars filtering for WFH is very strong either but tried to map it onto myself. Come to think of it: people's ability to develop maturity, responsibility and personality can be undermined by class conditions so maybe it is more of a class marker than I thought.
- Spivak 2y ago
  I mean it's absolutely true, I don't have someone who literally controls where I am for half (or more) of my waking hours. How anyone wouldn't read that as increased freedom is beyond me. I can stay over with a friend in another state for as much time as we'd like because I don't have to go to an office. I cook, I clean, I run errands, I play video games, I nap -- inasmuch as I'm meeting my work commitments I decide how best to spend my time. I can even go to the office if it strikes my fancy for a change of scenery. And the worst part is some executive would read this and say I'm slighting them because I'm not cosplaying as someone busy despite getting more actual work done than when I'm in the office. When I'm WFH and doing async work, work gets my most productive hours whenever that happens. When I'm in the office work gets what they get out of that 9-5.
kkfx 2y ago
hybrid works are a kind of compromise to keep the office model, so the city model, up a bit more, some hope enough to reach the 2030 WEF goal "you'll own nothing" because anything is a service, something to rent, and they are the sole owners of anything regulating the economy as they want simply regulating rent prices of anything allowing them to keep anyone in de-facto slavery and ensuring no one can save money. As much as you earn you'll spend in service. So no thanks. I a job can be done from remote there is NO REASON to want people in an office some times a week. Hybrid means the worst of both world: you need to be near the office anyway, so keep workers living costs high and quality of life low respect of living in nature in a well served place, meanwhile you are still in a city so with far less social file IRL outside the working hours than living in a less populated place. Hybrid means often laptops instead of real desktops, they can be docked of course but they are still sub-optimal iron for desktop replacer usage. When people will understand I hope they'll punish all companies that now push the hybrid approach living them to a sore destiny.
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from-nibly 2y ago
This is the third article on here about why hybrid is great today. What the heck is going on?

26 points by rustoo 2y ago

Working from home has become a class marker. Tech workers who work from home are seen as having more freedom and higher salaries than those that "have to be" in the office. Additionally I'm watching a Netflix reality show "Married at First Sight" (kinda lame tbh) where often times this comes up as a matter of an individual being at a state of their career where they're more advanced: "I need someone who works from home because I do and I like to travel a lot", "It's important for me to be with someone who is in a place career wise where they can set their own schedule" or just "You work from home? Nice! Me too!" Or it goes the other way: "You don't work remote? So you have to go in to the office?" with the undertone being one of disappointment, as if the person has less free agency and is in a worse place career wise than someone who doesn't have to go to the office.

drewrv 2y ago
My anecdotal experience regarding pay has been the opposite, at least here in Seattle. The employers who require people to come in a few days a week are all big corps who pay quite well. I wonder if the relative pay depends on the cost of living. If you're in a small town with limited local opportunities then you can get a higher salary by searching for remote work. But if you're in a high cost of living city then the employers who require you to be there have to pay enough to make it worthwhile.
- mingus88 2y ago
  Having just battled the job market, many offers for remote work take your CoL into account; they aren’t paying Seattle salaries to people who live in MN. I went from a fully remote role to a hybrid role when I switched. I was successfully able to negotiate upwards because if they are going to require me to commute, then I will need more cash to cover that expense. It was the easiest negotiation I have ever done. (So now I commute into a mostly empty office to join the same webexes, but if that’s how they want to spend their money, that’s their business. My workday still ends at the same time)
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  There's also the smaller companies that maybe can't afford to pay what a big corp can, but they can offer WFH or other schedule flexiblity to stay competitive.
  - arresin 2y ago
    Have seen this first hand.
fundad 2y ago
For a life partner, I looked for markers of maturity. For some workers to make sure they do their job, they have to be in the office. Some workers can't do their job without using other people's time throughout the day. If you can work from home, there might be other responsibilities that you approach differently than other potential mates.
- daseiner1 2y ago
  talk about an incredibly weak signal. seems to me that you’re primarily filtering for personality, not responsibility (which is your prerogative, of course). for instance “can’t do their job without using other people’s time throughout the day” is a loaded comment that really just indicates how you view working with others.
  - fundad 2y ago
    Thanks, this sounds reasonable. I don't think the reality stars filtering for WFH is very strong either but tried to map it onto myself. Come to think of it: people's ability to develop maturity, responsibility and personality can be undermined by class conditions so maybe it is more of a class marker than I thought.
Spivak 2y ago
I mean it's absolutely true, I don't have someone who literally controls where I am for half (or more) of my waking hours. How anyone wouldn't read that as increased freedom is beyond me. I can stay over with a friend in another state for as much time as we'd like because I don't have to go to an office. I cook, I clean, I run errands, I play video games, I nap -- inasmuch as I'm meeting my work commitments I decide how best to spend my time. I can even go to the office if it strikes my fancy for a change of scenery. And the worst part is some executive would read this and say I'm slighting them because I'm not cosplaying as someone busy despite getting more actual work done than when I'm in the office. When I'm WFH and doing async work, work gets my most productive hours whenever that happens. When I'm in the office work gets what they get out of that 9-5.

kkfx 2y ago

hybrid works are a kind of compromise to keep the office model, so the city model, up a bit more, some hope enough to reach the 2030 WEF goal "you'll own nothing" because anything is a service, something to rent, and they are the sole owners of anything regulating the economy as they want simply regulating rent prices of anything allowing them to keep anyone in de-facto slavery and ensuring no one can save money. As much as you earn you'll spend in service. So no thanks. I a job can be done from remote there is NO REASON to want people in an office some times a week. Hybrid means the worst of both world: you need to be near the office anyway, so keep workers living costs high and quality of life low respect of living in nature in a well served place, meanwhile you are still in a city so with far less social file IRL outside the working hours than living in a less populated place. Hybrid means often laptops instead of real desktops, they can be docked of course but they are still sub-optimal iron for desktop replacer usage. When people will understand I hope they'll punish all companies that now push the hybrid approach living them to a sore destiny.

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from-nibly 2y ago

This is the third article on here about why hybrid is great today. What the heck is going on?