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This may seem like a weird question but I wonder how much it is worth? Presumably it's very expensive and precise equipment. I wonder if it's protected from gun

This may seem like a weird question but I wonder how much it is worth? Presumably it's very expensive and precise equipment. I wonder if it's protected from gunfire in transit.

mhb 2y ago
Gunfire is the threat that comes to mind? Weird.
- bunderbunder 2y ago
  I can totally see someone taking a potshot at it just for a lark. Heck, I can see someone doing it for the purpose of creating content for their TikTok or YouTube channel. It's not like something like that has never happened before: https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-man-who-deliberately-crashed-airplane-youtube-video-admits https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-ma...
  - reaperman 2y ago
    Most of the large petrochemical tanks on the Gulf Coast have bullet dings in them. Folks just like to take potshots at stuff. Luckily the steel of these tanks are already more than thick enough to handle most small-arms fire. They just take the damage into account when they do corrosion monitoring every few years (those impact spots tend to be thinner afterwards, of course).
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Have you been thru rural Ohio?
- ls65536 2y ago
  It has happened before with other kinds of large cargo (the type that you really wouldn't want to have undesired holes in): https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276419 https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276419
  - pjc50 2y ago
    I'd heard about this, and wondered how America squares it with its ridiculously large and expensive War on Terror.
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      It should be pretty clear after a two decades that it is a war on islam aligned unfriendly governments. The US largely doesn't take internal Christian terror seriously. And we certainly don't take rural whites acting recklessly with guns to be anything but the free expression of inalienable rights.
- vundercind 2y ago
  Ever seen a stop sign in rural America? Quite a few folks like shooting stuff and have very poor judgement.
- dylan604 2y ago
  I've heard tales that Boeing's transporting of fuselages rarely made it to the destination without bullet holes.
  - deleted 2y ago
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dr_orpheus 2y ago
> I wonder if it's protected from gunfire in transit I would guess that it isn't. My assumption (without any data backing this up) is that making a specific, super rugged transport container would cost more (along with the additional logistics of it) than the insurance on it.
bob1029 2y ago
I don't know that the entire volume is considered "precise". Most of it should be cryogenic equipment (compressors, pipes, etc), packed in some kind of insulation. If anti-material rounds did penetrate the load, on-site repairs might be feasible. Contrast this with something like an EUV tool, which would probably be instant scrap if this kind of attack were successful.
teitoklien 2y ago
most definitely protected, and very expensive insurance too. > gunfire in transit Not just gunfire, they need to protect it from - Climate Activists, blocking road and sabotaging the instrument, like they destroy old paintings at museums and art galleries to bring awareness via headlines [1] - Foreign Adversary Intentionally Sabotaging Equipment to prevent America from leading in Semiconductor ( Had happened to India’s SCL silicon lab when they were catching up with market in 1980s ) [2] - And ofcourse Gun Slingers too [1](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/famous-art-museums-climate-change-activists https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/famou...) [2](https://youtu.be/isBYV6QWDIo?si=_g_0uYoXqiekhh9n https://youtu.be/isBYV6QWDIo?si=_g_0uYoXqiekhh9n)
- swores 2y ago
  > - Climate Activists, blocking road and sabotaging the instrument, like they destroy old paintings at museums and art galleries to bring awareness via headlines [1] Saying they "destroyed" any paintings is plain wrong, you've either not read past the headline or you're deliberately trying to make climate protesters look bad. While I'm aware of many art/museum related climate protests, I haven't heard of a single one that damaged any art - all of them, like the example you linked to, the protestors chose targets where they could avoid doing any real harm. In the story you linked they threw paint over a glass case that protects the painting, not over the painting itself. So it definitely wouldn't surprise me if climate protestors decided to delay the trip by temporarily blocking a road, but it would be extremely surprising if they did anything worse than splashing paint on something that does no harm other than needing a cleaning crew to get it off.
  - sib 2y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/arts/design/rokeby-venus-just-stop-oil.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/arts/design/rokeby-venus-...
  - DwnVoteHoneyPot 2y ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368
aftbit 2y ago
Almost certainly no. Probably not protected from meteor hits or car crashes either.
- dylan604 2y ago
  The 10mph travel speed under heavy escort seems like car crashes wouldn't be fatal.
  - aftbit 2y ago
    The Dali hit the Key Bridge at under 10 mph. The kinetic energy of a 415000 kg object going 4.5 m/s is about equivalent to a 2000 kg object going 65 m/s = 145 mph.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      Something that big in water trying to stop vs something on the ground with lots of friction contact with the ground is two entirely different things. I'm way less concerned about this thing hitting something moving at 10mph than I am someone else driving their thing into this bigger thing. It would have to be a massive thing to budge it.
      - aftbit 2y ago
        Oh sure, I don't mean to imply that this "Super Load" poses a threat to major infrastructure. I was simply pointing out that "under 10 mph" is not necessarily a guarantee of safety, and that very massive objects are tricky to handle in lots of ways, mostly due to inertia and balance.
galdosdi 2y ago
What? It's self protecting. How is a thief going to fence a million pounds of heavy equipment, and get away from a convoy of dozens of people? As soon as they turn onto some smaller road they're going to run into power lines. If it's so expensive for Intel/Ohio DOT to move it, it's not gonna be any easier or cheaper for a thief. This is like, what if someone stole the copper wiring from the white house Fun to think about though. Fun weird question.
- swores 2y ago
  The comment you replied to was talking about risk of people damaging it, not running off with it. And using your white house example, while I'm sure people stealing copper cabling from it isn't considered a high risk, the possibility of people using guns to shoot at the white house certainly is something they take quite seriously!
- dylan604 2y ago
  I think you just gave Netflix Studios their next heist movie/series.
j_walter 2y ago
I would guess based on their description this is not expensive or precise...at least compared to the cleanroom tooling like an EUV tool. This is probably a gas tower that is used to produce high purity gas on site (like N2). They are large and often transported from where they are built. TSMC AZ had one delivered from Texas a few years ago (or more precisely Linde had it delivered to their site next door to TSMC AZ). You can see the large towers in the pictures linked below. https://www.phxind.com/projects/linde-spectra-30 https://www.phxind.com/projects/linde-spectra-30

This may seem like a weird question but I wonder how much it is worth? Presumably it's very expensive and precise equipment. I wonder if it's protected from gunfire in transit.

mhb 2y ago

Gunfire is the threat that comes to mind? Weird.

bunderbunder 2y ago
I can totally see someone taking a potshot at it just for a lark. Heck, I can see someone doing it for the purpose of creating content for their TikTok or YouTube channel. It's not like something like that has never happened before: https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-man-who-deliberately-crashed-airplane-youtube-video-admits https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/santa-barbara-county-ma...
- reaperman 2y ago
  Most of the large petrochemical tanks on the Gulf Coast have bullet dings in them. Folks just like to take potshots at stuff. Luckily the steel of these tanks are already more than thick enough to handle most small-arms fire. They just take the damage into account when they do corrosion monitoring every few years (those impact spots tend to be thinner afterwards, of course).
SoftTalker 2y ago
Have you been thru rural Ohio?
ls65536 2y ago
It has happened before with other kinds of large cargo (the type that you really wouldn't want to have undesired holes in): https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276419 https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=276419
- pjc50 2y ago
  I'd heard about this, and wondered how America squares it with its ridiculously large and expensive War on Terror.
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    It should be pretty clear after a two decades that it is a war on islam aligned unfriendly governments. The US largely doesn't take internal Christian terror seriously. And we certainly don't take rural whites acting recklessly with guns to be anything but the free expression of inalienable rights.
vundercind 2y ago
Ever seen a stop sign in rural America? Quite a few folks like shooting stuff and have very poor judgement.
dylan604 2y ago
I've heard tales that Boeing's transporting of fuselages rarely made it to the destination without bullet holes.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

dr_orpheus 2y ago

> I wonder if it's protected from gunfire in transit I would guess that it isn't. My assumption (without any data backing this up) is that making a specific, super rugged transport container would cost more (along with the additional logistics of it) than the insurance on it.

bob1029 2y ago

I don't know that the entire volume is considered "precise". Most of it should be cryogenic equipment (compressors, pipes, etc), packed in some kind of insulation. If anti-material rounds did penetrate the load, on-site repairs might be feasible. Contrast this with something like an EUV tool, which would probably be instant scrap if this kind of attack were successful.

teitoklien 2y ago

most definitely protected, and very expensive insurance too. > gunfire in transit Not just gunfire, they need to protect it from - Climate Activists, blocking road and sabotaging the instrument, like they destroy old paintings at museums and art galleries to bring awareness via headlines [1] - Foreign Adversary Intentionally Sabotaging Equipment to prevent America from leading in Semiconductor ( Had happened to India’s SCL silicon lab when they were catching up with market in 1980s ) [2] - And ofcourse Gun Slingers too [1](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/famous-art-museums-climate-change-activists https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/famou...) [2](https://youtu.be/isBYV6QWDIo?si=_g_0uYoXqiekhh9n https://youtu.be/isBYV6QWDIo?si=_g_0uYoXqiekhh9n)

swores 2y ago
> - Climate Activists, blocking road and sabotaging the instrument, like they destroy old paintings at museums and art galleries to bring awareness via headlines [1] Saying they "destroyed" any paintings is plain wrong, you've either not read past the headline or you're deliberately trying to make climate protesters look bad. While I'm aware of many art/museum related climate protests, I haven't heard of a single one that damaged any art - all of them, like the example you linked to, the protestors chose targets where they could avoid doing any real harm. In the story you linked they threw paint over a glass case that protects the painting, not over the painting itself. So it definitely wouldn't surprise me if climate protestors decided to delay the trip by temporarily blocking a road, but it would be extremely surprising if they did anything worse than splashing paint on something that does no harm other than needing a cleaning crew to get it off.
- sib 2y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/arts/design/rokeby-venus-just-stop-oil.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/07/arts/design/rokeby-venus-...
- DwnVoteHoneyPot 2y ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-68515368

aftbit 2y ago

Almost certainly no. Probably not protected from meteor hits or car crashes either.

dylan604 2y ago
The 10mph travel speed under heavy escort seems like car crashes wouldn't be fatal.
- aftbit 2y ago
  The Dali hit the Key Bridge at under 10 mph. The kinetic energy of a 415000 kg object going 4.5 m/s is about equivalent to a 2000 kg object going 65 m/s = 145 mph.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Something that big in water trying to stop vs something on the ground with lots of friction contact with the ground is two entirely different things. I'm way less concerned about this thing hitting something moving at 10mph than I am someone else driving their thing into this bigger thing. It would have to be a massive thing to budge it.
    - aftbit 2y ago
      Oh sure, I don't mean to imply that this "Super Load" poses a threat to major infrastructure. I was simply pointing out that "under 10 mph" is not necessarily a guarantee of safety, and that very massive objects are tricky to handle in lots of ways, mostly due to inertia and balance.

galdosdi 2y ago

What? It's self protecting. How is a thief going to fence a million pounds of heavy equipment, and get away from a convoy of dozens of people? As soon as they turn onto some smaller road they're going to run into power lines. If it's so expensive for Intel/Ohio DOT to move it, it's not gonna be any easier or cheaper for a thief. This is like, what if someone stole the copper wiring from the white house Fun to think about though. Fun weird question.

swores 2y ago
The comment you replied to was talking about risk of people damaging it, not running off with it. And using your white house example, while I'm sure people stealing copper cabling from it isn't considered a high risk, the possibility of people using guns to shoot at the white house certainly is something they take quite seriously!
dylan604 2y ago
I think you just gave Netflix Studios their next heist movie/series.

j_walter 2y ago

I would guess based on their description this is not expensive or precise...at least compared to the cleanroom tooling like an EUV tool. This is probably a gas tower that is used to produce high purity gas on site (like N2). They are large and often transported from where they are built. TSMC AZ had one delivered from Texas a few years ago (or more precisely Linde had it delivered to their site next door to TSMC AZ). You can see the large towers in the pictures linked below. https://www.phxind.com/projects/linde-spectra-30 https://www.phxind.com/projects/linde-spectra-30