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Every company should do this. In fact many do. This is called competitor analysis and is the fastest way to motivate employees and start improving things

cantSpellSober 2y ago
Every company does do it. I'd like to see Apple's 2010 version for comparison. Something like: 1. Samsung has copy and paste
- amluto 2y ago
  More introspection is needed to get this right. Apple has copy and paste. And they even had a sort of decent text selection at some point (iOS 16?), so their list surely still thinks that this capability is fully functional.
  - cantSpellSober 2y ago
    Not sure what you mean, iPhone 1 didn't have it because "[Ken Kocienda] didn’t have time to do it right." https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 Once it was added (2 phones later) it was such a big deal they had an ad for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjESdHPGB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjESdHPGB0
    - amluto 2y ago
      I misread the comment to which I was replying. Oops.
- planb 2y ago
  I don't want to be pedantic, but in fact point 13 in these slides says the opposite: Safari has copy&paste and the Samsung browser has not. That's the interesting difference: While Android may have been "first" to copy&paste, Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide.
  - cantSpellSober 2y ago
    > Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide This is false. They released it in Safari in iOS 1, in a state where it did not work system-wide (across iOS). No one used Samsung Browser, they just downloaded Chrome :) (which had it in 2009/Android Cupcake).
    - planb 2y ago
      No. copy&paste was released with iPhone OS 3.0 system wide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3)
      - cantSpellSober 2y ago
        I agree—to repeat: the feature did not work system-wide on release; only in Safari (iOS 1 being 2008). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3
        happyopossum 2y ago
        Copy and paste did not exist at all on the iPhone in 2008 - not even in Safari. [https://www.wired.com/2008/09/iphone-22-safar/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/iphone-22-safar/] [https://x.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 https://x.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184]
practicemaths 2y ago
Also it just looks like fun Engineering. You get to tear apart a whole machine down to every last nut screw and bolt. Then itemize it and approximate the cost to produce. It's very neat I got to see some of this process during a tour of an auto engineering facility.

cantSpellSober 2y ago

Every company does do it. I'd like to see Apple's 2010 version for comparison. Something like: 1. Samsung has copy and paste

amluto 2y ago
More introspection is needed to get this right. Apple has copy and paste. And they even had a sort of decent text selection at some point (iOS 16?), so their list surely still thinks that this capability is fully functional.
- cantSpellSober 2y ago
  Not sure what you mean, iPhone 1 didn't have it because "[Ken Kocienda] didn’t have time to do it right." https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 Once it was added (2 phones later) it was such a big deal they had an ad for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjESdHPGB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjESdHPGB0
  - amluto 2y ago
    I misread the comment to which I was replying. Oops.
planb 2y ago
I don't want to be pedantic, but in fact point 13 in these slides says the opposite: Safari has copy&paste and the Samsung browser has not. That's the interesting difference: While Android may have been "first" to copy&paste, Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide.
- cantSpellSober 2y ago
  > Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide This is false. They released it in Safari in iOS 1, in a state where it did not work system-wide (across iOS). No one used Samsung Browser, they just downloaded Chrome :) (which had it in 2009/Android Cupcake).
  - planb 2y ago
    No. copy&paste was released with iPhone OS 3.0 system wide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3)
    - cantSpellSober 2y ago
      I agree—to repeat: the feature did not work system-wide on release; only in Safari (iOS 1 being 2008). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3
      - happyopossum 2y ago
        Copy and paste did not exist at all on the iPhone in 2008 - not even in Safari. [https://www.wired.com/2008/09/iphone-22-safar/ https://www.wired.com/2008/09/iphone-22-safar/] [https://x.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 https://x.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184]

practicemaths 2y ago

Also it just looks like fun Engineering. You get to tear apart a whole machine down to every last nut screw and bolt. Then itemize it and approximate the cost to produce. It's very neat I got to see some of this process during a tour of an auto engineering facility.