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> If Putin wanted to recreate Imperial Russia, or the Soviet Union, then why would he negotiate for peace? To distract western military support. To distract o
by throwawayqqq11 2y ago
> If Putin wanted to recreate Imperial Russia, or the Soviet Union, then why would he negotiate for peace?
To distract western military support.
To distract offensive\defensive ukrainian plans.
To construct a peaceful narrative at home or the war mongering west.
To strengthen or pet allies, who mediate.
To gain intelligence about the willingness of territorial sacrifice.
Would Putin ever publicly admit his grand soviet plan? If no, then how would he behave instead? Consider georgia, chechenia, belarus, etc.
- rtaylorgarlock 2y agoExactly. Both 1st + 2nd order thinking are needed when evaluating the PR efforts of leaders, particularly when their messages go against their actions.
- Obscurity4340 2y agoCan you expand on that a bit more? Sorta get what you're saying but I think I might not have a super coherent sense of what that is
- YeGoblynQueenne 2y agoI don't know, maybe? All those sound plausible but then you have to try and justify each of them with some kind of evidence of some sort, otherwise you're just playing the guessing game. Now, I don't like guessing. When Russia entered negotiations the war was clearly not going its way, so the obvious explanation is that Putin wanted to disentangle from it with the least damage to his image as possible. The question is why the negotiations failed, if they were really as advanced as suggested in the articles I linked above. Since the name of Boris Johnson has been brought up (in the context of being one of the Western representatives that told Zelenskiy to drop the deal) I tend to believe that a peace deal failed because at least one side in the negotiations was incompetent fools who should have never made it in power. That the other side is probably the same makes no difference.
- throwaway8877 2y agoThis is wrong. Completely. Russia never negotiated in good faith. The only goal of these negotiations were an attempt to force very unfavorable terms on Ukraine - taking Ukrainian land and forcing them to destroy all their defence capacity without any warranty of no future invasion. Ukraine was never going to take such deal - no Westerner was needed to tell that. This is what people actually knowledgeable about the negation have revealed. The problem is that Western media picks too easily up even the most stupid Russian narratives.