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Just a small selection of suspicious activity: * https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why

Just a small selection of suspicious activity: * https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/controversial-vaccine-studies-why-is-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-under-fire-from-critics-in-india/articleshow/41280050.cms https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/bio... * https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/08/09/430347033/catholic-bishops-in-kenya-call-for-a-boycott-of-polio-vaccines https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/08/09/4303470... * https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exercise-kenyan-doctors-find-anti-fertility-agent-in-u/ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-mass-sterilization-exerc... * https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/why-are-indians-so-angry-at-bill-gates/ https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/why-are-indians-so-angry-at-... * https://tpchronicles.com/un-vaccines-sterilize/ https://tpchronicles.com/un-vaccines-sterilize/

ceejayoz 2y ago
I tend to be a bit skeptical of Catholic bishops' opinion on scientific issues.
spywaregorilla 2y ago
Three of these appear to unsubstantiated claims from Keynan power grabs that well documented vaccines are causing sterilization. The vaccine mentioned in the first link is now massively widespread and attributed to saving 10,000,000 lives over the past decade
- jasonvorhe 2y ago
  During COVID I dug deep into the vaccine topic and unless I completely failed at research, I couldn't find these claims of being "well documented" (and studied). If you have some studies proving how good these vaccines are, I'd be happy to see them! Until then I only mentioned that I don't trust any of these actors. You're free to keep on trusting them.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    The Kenyan case is about the polio vaccine, which we've been administering since the 1950s. The resulting nearly universal absence of polio (via tens of billions of doses administered) is indeed well documented.
  - n4r9 2y ago
    What kind of research did you do? Just having a go now with the HPV vaccine results in this recent systematic review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8877934/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8877934/ . From the conclusion: > The preventive effect of HPV vaccines against anogenital and oropharyngeal cancers has been proven in both clinical trials and real-world data.
  - spywaregorilla 2y ago
    If you didn't find anything on the polio vaccine then I don't think you dug as deep as you thought.
n4r9 2y ago
This isn't very convincing for me. For the benefit of other interested parties, the above citation spam categorises into: 1. The Kenyan Catholic church does not like vaccines and will argue against them even in the face of evidence to the contrary. 2. There have been some health effects among a tiny percentage of subjects in vaccination studies in India. The severity, causality, and prevalence of the effects is as yet unknown.
lordswork 2y ago
BMGF promotes vaccines to decrease global mortality rates. It's not surprising a bunch of anti-vax groups are unhappy with them. The scientific method will always prevail.
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  BMGF is a family office that invests in pharmaceutical companies. They also lobby the WHO on pharma issues. It's a giant conflict of interest.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    According to their 2023 financials, they got 106 million in cash from investment sales, and nearly 8 billion from the trust. The investment side of their operation is a tiny drop in the bucket, especially also considering they gave away nearly 7 billion in grants and programs. If they’re trying to make money off the foundation they’re going about it in a very odd way by giving away 70 times more than they earn from investing

ceejayoz 2y ago

I tend to be a bit skeptical of Catholic bishops' opinion on scientific issues.

spywaregorilla 2y ago

Three of these appear to unsubstantiated claims from Keynan power grabs that well documented vaccines are causing sterilization. The vaccine mentioned in the first link is now massively widespread and attributed to saving 10,000,000 lives over the past decade

jasonvorhe 2y ago
During COVID I dug deep into the vaccine topic and unless I completely failed at research, I couldn't find these claims of being "well documented" (and studied). If you have some studies proving how good these vaccines are, I'd be happy to see them! Until then I only mentioned that I don't trust any of these actors. You're free to keep on trusting them.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  The Kenyan case is about the polio vaccine, which we've been administering since the 1950s. The resulting nearly universal absence of polio (via tens of billions of doses administered) is indeed well documented.
- n4r9 2y ago
  What kind of research did you do? Just having a go now with the HPV vaccine results in this recent systematic review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8877934/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8877934/ . From the conclusion: > The preventive effect of HPV vaccines against anogenital and oropharyngeal cancers has been proven in both clinical trials and real-world data.
- spywaregorilla 2y ago
  If you didn't find anything on the polio vaccine then I don't think you dug as deep as you thought.

n4r9 2y ago

This isn't very convincing for me. For the benefit of other interested parties, the above citation spam categorises into: 1. The Kenyan Catholic church does not like vaccines and will argue against them even in the face of evidence to the contrary. 2. There have been some health effects among a tiny percentage of subjects in vaccination studies in India. The severity, causality, and prevalence of the effects is as yet unknown.

lordswork 2y ago

BMGF promotes vaccines to decrease global mortality rates. It's not surprising a bunch of anti-vax groups are unhappy with them. The scientific method will always prevail.

throwaway48476 2y ago
BMGF is a family office that invests in pharmaceutical companies. They also lobby the WHO on pharma issues. It's a giant conflict of interest.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  According to their 2023 financials, they got 106 million in cash from investment sales, and nearly 8 billion from the trust. The investment side of their operation is a tiny drop in the bucket, especially also considering they gave away nearly 7 billion in grants and programs. If they’re trying to make money off the foundation they’re going about it in a very odd way by giving away 70 times more than they earn from investing