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So what are some good alternatives?

le-mark 2y ago
My understanding that as of a couple of years ago most of the “clones” had various issues from pcb layout bugs causing ddram access issues, to poor documentation and poor Linux kernel support. Also availability was often a challenge. Getting a product that just works and is well supported by a community is worth a lot imo. Especially for hobbyist, less so if it’s one’s full time job, but then why are you using these things?
geokon 2y ago
My impression is that the coming generation of chips are going to be completely integrated RiSCV chips with RAM integrated on one package. Akin to a microcontroller but that can run Linux. Something like the SG2002 Ex: LicheeRV Nano https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/02/08/licheerv-nano-low-cost-sg2002-risc-v-arm-camera-display-board-wifi-6-ethernet/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/02/08/licheerv-nano-low-co... This is sufficient for "automation" hobby projects. You get the full Linux/OS creature comforts without the hassle of doing Arduino or Mircopython. If you want a full desktop experience (or a project with video output) on a SBC it's probably easiest to go for a Intel SBC RPi is getting squeezed from top and bottom price brackets
- 05 2y ago
  > This is sufficient for "automation" hobby projects. and so is a $2 ESPHome.. For actually working with hardware Arduino is much more convenient than whatever abomination you would write in Python. For anything that needs video output you should use a cheap Android. Anything else is just wasting money.
- drzaiusx11 2y ago
  Thanks for the licheerv nano link, this thing [1] looks awesome! Display out, built in amp, and 1GHz riscv for $10 USD [2]. Incredible. 1. https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/lichee/RV_Nano/1_intro.html https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/lichee/RV_Nano/1_intro.h... 2. https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPnKu26 https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPnKu26
  - drzaiusx11 2y ago
    It's somewhat amusing a MIPI -> HDMI adapter [1] is more than the total cost of the SBC https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtj0TmG https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtj0TmG
- jbaber 2y ago
  I got an intel SBC for something that required non-ARM and I remember the power raw being surprising after having been spoiled by so many raspberry ARMs.
alias_neo 2y ago
I've been looking into alternatives to the Zero 2W because I need something in the same form factor with more (processing) power; something closer to the Pi 3B+ or better. My conclusion is that although there is some nice hardware out there on paper, the poor circuit designs and atrocious software support mean anything I can get that meets my requirements will be an absolute nightmare; and I'm a software engineer of 1.5-decades with an Electronic Engineering degree, so the bar is high for something to be too-much-effort. Take the Radxa Zero 3W[0] for example; the WiFi doesn't work properly, GPU acceleration doesn't always work, the OS images are out of date and don't always boot, when it does there are power issues, thermal issues, performance issues. No Debian 12 expected until H2 this year, if lucky; Android OS images are Android 9 (we're on what Android 14-15 now?). [0]https://forum.radxa.com/c/zero https://forum.radxa.com/c/zero

My understanding that as of a couple of years ago most of the “clones” had various issues from pcb layout bugs causing ddram access issues, to poor documentation and poor Linux kernel support. Also availability was often a challenge. Getting a product that just works and is well supported by a community is worth a lot imo. Especially for hobbyist, less so if it’s one’s full time job, but then why are you using these things?

geokon 2y ago

My impression is that the coming generation of chips are going to be completely integrated RiSCV chips with RAM integrated on one package. Akin to a microcontroller but that can run Linux. Something like the SG2002 Ex: LicheeRV Nano https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/02/08/licheerv-nano-low-cost-sg2002-risc-v-arm-camera-display-board-wifi-6-ethernet/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/02/08/licheerv-nano-low-co... This is sufficient for "automation" hobby projects. You get the full Linux/OS creature comforts without the hassle of doing Arduino or Mircopython. If you want a full desktop experience (or a project with video output) on a SBC it's probably easiest to go for a Intel SBC RPi is getting squeezed from top and bottom price brackets

05 2y ago
> This is sufficient for "automation" hobby projects. and so is a $2 ESPHome.. For actually working with hardware Arduino is much more convenient than whatever abomination you would write in Python. For anything that needs video output you should use a cheap Android. Anything else is just wasting money.
drzaiusx11 2y ago
Thanks for the licheerv nano link, this thing [1] looks awesome! Display out, built in amp, and 1GHz riscv for $10 USD [2]. Incredible. 1. https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/lichee/RV_Nano/1_intro.html https://wiki.sipeed.com/hardware/en/lichee/RV_Nano/1_intro.h... 2. https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPnKu26 https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPnKu26
- drzaiusx11 2y ago
  It's somewhat amusing a MIPI -> HDMI adapter [1] is more than the total cost of the SBC https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtj0TmG https://a.aliexpress.com/_mtj0TmG
jbaber 2y ago
I got an intel SBC for something that required non-ARM and I remember the power raw being surprising after having been spoiled by so many raspberry ARMs.

alias_neo 2y ago

I've been looking into alternatives to the Zero 2W because I need something in the same form factor with more (processing) power; something closer to the Pi 3B+ or better. My conclusion is that although there is some nice hardware out there on paper, the poor circuit designs and atrocious software support mean anything I can get that meets my requirements will be an absolute nightmare; and I'm a software engineer of 1.5-decades with an Electronic Engineering degree, so the bar is high for something to be too-much-effort. Take the Radxa Zero 3W[0] for example; the WiFi doesn't work properly, GPU acceleration doesn't always work, the OS images are out of date and don't always boot, when it does there are power issues, thermal issues, performance issues. No Debian 12 expected until H2 this year, if lucky; Android OS images are Android 9 (we're on what Android 14-15 now?). [0]https://forum.radxa.com/c/zero https://forum.radxa.com/c/zero