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> It's nothing to do with finding you "disagreeable". It's pretty basic etiquette when having a conversation. Please tell me more about this etiquette while ca

> It's nothing to do with finding you "disagreeable". It's pretty basic etiquette when having a conversation. Please tell me more about this etiquette while calling me a foodstuff. Indeed Covid is the unrelated topic, my opening words: Regardless of where you stand on Covid ...the original reasons for draconian law enforcement meant to be temporary are long gone.. The mentality however remains. I can only hope not permanently. Not litigating the past, talking about the present. I say this with all sincerity, come back tomorrow perhaps and reread the exchange with fresh eyes. > I'm not really sure why you think I would be your border guard, or how you assume I would treat a person in that scenario even if I was? You would with some probability jump to conclusions that I'm part of the outgroup and treat me with a heavyhand as demonstrated by this whole exchange. These are not good vibes, hence, unpleasant and disappointing enough for me to steer clear. And I'm quite sure you are more reasonable than the typical border agent. > in my experience the assumption by foreigners (typically Americans but probably not exclusively) that Australians are all "hopping mad" about the government reaction to COVID is vastly overblown Wonderful, what does that have to do with this foreigner? Are you starting to understand the issue?

stephenr 2y ago
> Please tell me more about this etiquette while calling me a foodstuff. I'm sorry you don't appreciate porcine slang. Would you prefer "Why are you going off like a bucket of prawns in the sun?" Or if you like crustaceans but prefer it was a bit snappier (no crab pun intended), how about "Don't come the raw prawn mate?" > the original reasons for draconian law enforcement meant to be temporary are long gone.. How many times do people have to tell you that these measures are unrelated to COVID and pre-date it? COVID is thus not the "original reason" for the law in question, and never has been. > The mentality however remains. What mentality? As much as this hasn't affected me yet personally (and I currently live as an expat in a country that is definitely a popular destination for some of the shifty fuckers they're actually looking for) I'm against the policy, and I would imagine most of my Australian friends would consider it overly invasive if they were told to hand over their PIN. Are you somehow trying to suggest that because Australians in general approved of the restrictions put in place during the pandemic, that they're also likely to approve of this? I very much doubt that. > You would with some probability jump to conclusions that I'm part of the outgroup What "outgroup"? What are you even talking about? > treat me with a heavyhand as demonstrated by this whole exchange Calling someone out for talking shit about a topic they clearly don't know anything about is hardly "heavy handed". > Wonderful, what does that have to do with this foreigner? Well you're a foreigner who yet again made pretty ridiculous claims about Australians and their thoughts regarding how the government handled the pandemic.
- verticalscaler 2y ago
  > What mentality? > Well you're a foreigner who yet again made pretty ridiculous claims about Australians and their thoughts regarding how the government handled the pandemic. I keep telling you I’m not an anti vaxer. I keep telling you I’m not talking about the the pandemic. Those people who disturb you so is the outgroup I’m talking about. I’m not that, has diddly to do with me, but you can’t snap out of that fixation. > How many times do people have to tell you that these measures are unrelated to COVID and pre-date it? COVID is thus not the "original reason" for the law in question, and never has been. I never said that Covid is the reason for the law in question , look carefully, you got on that all on your own! How many times can I clarify that? That’s the mentality I’m talking about. Snap out of it. A border guard searching your phone pre and post Covid is no longer the same. God help you if he starts assuming wrong things about you now, like you are about me, understand? That’s the entire point. Covid is over, the animosities remain and run deep.
  - stephenr 2y ago
    > I’m not talking about the the pandemic. Then why even mention it? > you got on that all on your own! Me, and the other people who replied to tell you the same thing, and the countless others who downvoted you on the same assumption. > A border guard searching your phone pre and post Covid is no longer the same. They're searching for terrorists/kiddie fuckers/porn 'smugglers'. That's it. I think their approach is completely wrong, but that's what they're searching for. None of those particular things has anything to do with the pandemic. > God help you if he starts assuming wrong things about you now Why? Whether I refuse to give him my PIN; or I give it to him and he finds nothing of interest; or he does find something of interest: none of that relates to the attitudes of people regarding the pandemic, because none of the things they're searching for are even remotely related to the pandemic. > That’s the entire point. Covid is over, the animosities remain and run deep. What animosities? It's like you've branched out from carrying on like a pork chop and decided to add a side of word salad to the conversational plate.
    - verticalscaler 2y ago

stephenr 2y ago

> Please tell me more about this etiquette while calling me a foodstuff. I'm sorry you don't appreciate porcine slang. Would you prefer "Why are you going off like a bucket of prawns in the sun?" Or if you like crustaceans but prefer it was a bit snappier (no crab pun intended), how about "Don't come the raw prawn mate?" > the original reasons for draconian law enforcement meant to be temporary are long gone.. How many times do people have to tell you that these measures are unrelated to COVID and pre-date it? COVID is thus not the "original reason" for the law in question, and never has been. > The mentality however remains. What mentality? As much as this hasn't affected me yet personally (and I currently live as an expat in a country that is definitely a popular destination for some of the shifty fuckers they're actually looking for) I'm against the policy, and I would imagine most of my Australian friends would consider it overly invasive if they were told to hand over their PIN. Are you somehow trying to suggest that because Australians in general approved of the restrictions put in place during the pandemic, that they're also likely to approve of this? I very much doubt that. > You would with some probability jump to conclusions that I'm part of the outgroup What "outgroup"? What are you even talking about? > treat me with a heavyhand as demonstrated by this whole exchange Calling someone out for talking shit about a topic they clearly don't know anything about is hardly "heavy handed". > Wonderful, what does that have to do with this foreigner? Well you're a foreigner who yet again made pretty ridiculous claims about Australians and their thoughts regarding how the government handled the pandemic.

verticalscaler 2y ago
> What mentality? > Well you're a foreigner who yet again made pretty ridiculous claims about Australians and their thoughts regarding how the government handled the pandemic. I keep telling you I’m not an anti vaxer. I keep telling you I’m not talking about the the pandemic. Those people who disturb you so is the outgroup I’m talking about. I’m not that, has diddly to do with me, but you can’t snap out of that fixation. > How many times do people have to tell you that these measures are unrelated to COVID and pre-date it? COVID is thus not the "original reason" for the law in question, and never has been. I never said that Covid is the reason for the law in question , look carefully, you got on that all on your own! How many times can I clarify that? That’s the mentality I’m talking about. Snap out of it. A border guard searching your phone pre and post Covid is no longer the same. God help you if he starts assuming wrong things about you now, like you are about me, understand? That’s the entire point. Covid is over, the animosities remain and run deep.
- stephenr 2y ago
  > I’m not talking about the the pandemic. Then why even mention it? > you got on that all on your own! Me, and the other people who replied to tell you the same thing, and the countless others who downvoted you on the same assumption. > A border guard searching your phone pre and post Covid is no longer the same. They're searching for terrorists/kiddie fuckers/porn 'smugglers'. That's it. I think their approach is completely wrong, but that's what they're searching for. None of those particular things has anything to do with the pandemic. > God help you if he starts assuming wrong things about you now Why? Whether I refuse to give him my PIN; or I give it to him and he finds nothing of interest; or he does find something of interest: none of that relates to the attitudes of people regarding the pandemic, because none of the things they're searching for are even remotely related to the pandemic. > That’s the entire point. Covid is over, the animosities remain and run deep. What animosities? It's like you've branched out from carrying on like a pork chop and decided to add a side of word salad to the conversational plate.
  - verticalscaler 2y ago