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You could spend some working hours brushing up your knowledge about whatever tech stack companies nowadays ask for. You don’t need to become an expert in X, Y a

by dakiol 2y ago

You could spend some working hours brushing up your knowledge about whatever tech stack companies nowadays ask for. You don’t need to become an expert in X, Y and Z, a bit of exposure and understanding of the fundamentals is enough to put it on your CV. I have done this many times. For example, I didn’t know k8s, and I wanted to switch jobs: I spent around 1-2 months learning k8s at work and at home, I learnt the fundamentals and did some side project and then I put on my CV that I’ve used k8s in my current job (I didn’t). I passed the job interview.

v3ss0n 2y ago
As a Founder , I believe it is not fair for someone to look for job applications on company time and sharpening your skills for next job - in time and resources that your company had paid for. Since you have problems with upper management - tough it up , talk about it face to face in a polite manner and highlight their toxic behavior . Tell them you don't like the way you are being treated and you can't continue this way. Since you had been there for so long already it will work in your favor. If things don't go in your way and if you get fired , they need to pay you 3 months - and during that time , you are good enough to learn new things.
- instagraham 2y ago
  The unfair thing in the scenario you describe is the employee choosing to upskill while they continue to do their jobs? And not the company firing them for speaking their mind - giving them 3 months of runway to switch careers in a situation OP already said felt like a shit job market? Micromanaging employee time is one of the worst signs of a toxic company culture. And definitely not a sign of an efficient one
  - v3ss0n 2y ago
    Op is not upfront about the toxicity situation to their management.And he haven't said anything about how toxic it is. > Micromanaging employee time is one of the worst signs of a toxic company culture I agree micro managing alot is bad but I don't agree it is toxic. I agree if leadership knows nothing about software engineering and microing it it is bad. There's always two sides. I had seen projects fail because developers are doing what they want with their time, doing things unrelated to current project and end up missing delivery deadlines. I had seen company fail because they don't say anything to their developer because they afraid their developer will feel bad. I had saved client projects by joining in and driving their team to their potentials. There's nothing rude or toxic about it. Unless OP provide more details we can't really know if his company really toxic or not. If job market is shit, build something in your own time, take ownership, make it grow and showcase it. A good C++ dev can learn new things so much faster than others.
    - codingdave 2y ago
      If you have saved projects by coming in and micromanaging the devs... are you sure that was the only way to incentivize them to stay focused? And are you sure that they appreciated being micro-managed and did not think it rude and toxic? Because the success of a project and the toxicity of its leadership are orthogonal to each other. It sounds like you are coming from a perspective that if the business succeeds, the environment must not be toxic, which is sadly not at all true.
- Havoc 2y ago
  Pretty much all sharpening skills happens on someone’s company’s time.
- dukeyukey 2y ago
  > sharpening your skills for next job How do I even work for you without "sharpening my skills"?
- codingdave 2y ago
  No, if you have problems with upper management, you should do something about it, but nobody owes their management a discussion about it. If leadership doesn't know how to build a healthy work environment, then people will decide for themselves whether to "manage up" to try to correct it, or to just step out of that environment in whatever way works for them. That doesn't always mean quitting - I personally try to just change my job role and find that I often can adjust the work to avoid the toxic leaders. But if that cannot be done, leaving the job is a reasonable action. And "as a Founder", if you think your staff is obligated to pull you out of any holes you dig, you are going to be in for a surprise when you find out just how many people are happy to let toxic leaders fail.
- dakiol 2y ago
  I do sharpen my skills every day at work. Sometimes the skills I sharp are used at work, sometimes they are not (but they are still relevant to my career and so relevant to any software-related job) How else are we going to keep ourselves sharp? Besides, is on the benefit of the current company that I become more knowledgeable. Crazy to hear this retrograde way of thinking.
  - v3ss0n 2y ago
    I agree that, but he should stand up to toxicity case first.

by dakiol 2y ago

v3ss0n 2y ago

As a Founder , I believe it is not fair for someone to look for job applications on company time and sharpening your skills for next job - in time and resources that your company had paid for. Since you have problems with upper management - tough it up , talk about it face to face in a polite manner and highlight their toxic behavior . Tell them you don't like the way you are being treated and you can't continue this way. Since you had been there for so long already it will work in your favor. If things don't go in your way and if you get fired , they need to pay you 3 months - and during that time , you are good enough to learn new things.

instagraham 2y ago
The unfair thing in the scenario you describe is the employee choosing to upskill while they continue to do their jobs? And not the company firing them for speaking their mind - giving them 3 months of runway to switch careers in a situation OP already said felt like a shit job market? Micromanaging employee time is one of the worst signs of a toxic company culture. And definitely not a sign of an efficient one
- v3ss0n 2y ago
  Op is not upfront about the toxicity situation to their management.And he haven't said anything about how toxic it is. > Micromanaging employee time is one of the worst signs of a toxic company culture I agree micro managing alot is bad but I don't agree it is toxic. I agree if leadership knows nothing about software engineering and microing it it is bad. There's always two sides. I had seen projects fail because developers are doing what they want with their time, doing things unrelated to current project and end up missing delivery deadlines. I had seen company fail because they don't say anything to their developer because they afraid their developer will feel bad. I had saved client projects by joining in and driving their team to their potentials. There's nothing rude or toxic about it. Unless OP provide more details we can't really know if his company really toxic or not. If job market is shit, build something in your own time, take ownership, make it grow and showcase it. A good C++ dev can learn new things so much faster than others.
  - codingdave 2y ago
    If you have saved projects by coming in and micromanaging the devs... are you sure that was the only way to incentivize them to stay focused? And are you sure that they appreciated being micro-managed and did not think it rude and toxic? Because the success of a project and the toxicity of its leadership are orthogonal to each other. It sounds like you are coming from a perspective that if the business succeeds, the environment must not be toxic, which is sadly not at all true.
Havoc 2y ago
Pretty much all sharpening skills happens on someone’s company’s time.
dukeyukey 2y ago
> sharpening your skills for next job How do I even work for you without "sharpening my skills"?
codingdave 2y ago
No, if you have problems with upper management, you should do something about it, but nobody owes their management a discussion about it. If leadership doesn't know how to build a healthy work environment, then people will decide for themselves whether to "manage up" to try to correct it, or to just step out of that environment in whatever way works for them. That doesn't always mean quitting - I personally try to just change my job role and find that I often can adjust the work to avoid the toxic leaders. But if that cannot be done, leaving the job is a reasonable action. And "as a Founder", if you think your staff is obligated to pull you out of any holes you dig, you are going to be in for a surprise when you find out just how many people are happy to let toxic leaders fail.
dakiol 2y ago
I do sharpen my skills every day at work. Sometimes the skills I sharp are used at work, sometimes they are not (but they are still relevant to my career and so relevant to any software-related job) How else are we going to keep ourselves sharp? Besides, is on the benefit of the current company that I become more knowledgeable. Crazy to hear this retrograde way of thinking.
- v3ss0n 2y ago
  I agree that, but he should stand up to toxicity case first.