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The industry is looking and taking notes: Qualcomm a major IP holder doesn't want to pay for IP while ARM prefer money over the success of its ecosystem. RISC-

by lugu 2y ago

The industry is looking and taking notes: Qualcomm a major IP holder doesn't want to pay for IP while ARM prefer money over the success of its ecosystem. RISC-V immediately comes to mind as a long term alternative. Thank you ARM and Qualcomm.

Wytwwww 2y ago
Would it be any better if Qualcomm developed their own proprietary RISC-V cores with proprietary/patented extensions that most software would be reliant on? Currently Qualcomm and ARM are somewhat balancing each other out, with RISC-V if Qualcomm got significantly ahead they'd probably be in a position where it would be impossible for anyone to compete against them (I can't really see any reason for them to make their extensions freely available to their competitors).
pjmlp 2y ago
It is as likely to happen as the Year of Linux Desktop, on laptops bought by normies at the local shopping mall.
- lugu 2y ago
  Chromebooks. Remember that part of the industry lives in China and has large ambitions. Thanks for the reality check.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Chromebooks are not GNU/Linux, rather a browser running on top of a POSIX kernel that happens to be Linux kernel, and could be Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow if Google felt so inclined, with the ability to run GNU/Linux workloads inside of a VM. It is as desktop as running a Linux distribution inside Virtual Box.
    - rstuart4133 2y ago
      > Chromebooks are not GNU/Linux, rather a browser running on top of a POSIX kernel that happens to be Linux kernel That happens to be build using gcc, glibc and wayland. If you enable "developer mode" you get access to a subset of coreutils like "cp". You also get "chromebrew" which allows you to install the rest. I think it's fair to say it's GNU/Linux stripped back to the bare essentials, with a custom desktop and a few GUI apps added. And the ability to add a fair chunk of the stripped stuff back. https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guides/device/developer-mode/#dev-mode https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guide... > could be Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow if Google felt so inclined, with the ability to run GNU/Linux workloads inside of a VM. Yes, well Windows could also be a Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow, with the ability to run Windows workloads inside of a VM.

by lugu 2y ago

Wytwwww 2y ago

Would it be any better if Qualcomm developed their own proprietary RISC-V cores with proprietary/patented extensions that most software would be reliant on? Currently Qualcomm and ARM are somewhat balancing each other out, with RISC-V if Qualcomm got significantly ahead they'd probably be in a position where it would be impossible for anyone to compete against them (I can't really see any reason for them to make their extensions freely available to their competitors).

pjmlp 2y ago

It is as likely to happen as the Year of Linux Desktop, on laptops bought by normies at the local shopping mall.

lugu 2y ago
Chromebooks. Remember that part of the industry lives in China and has large ambitions. Thanks for the reality check.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Chromebooks are not GNU/Linux, rather a browser running on top of a POSIX kernel that happens to be Linux kernel, and could be Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow if Google felt so inclined, with the ability to run GNU/Linux workloads inside of a VM. It is as desktop as running a Linux distribution inside Virtual Box.
  - rstuart4133 2y ago
    > Chromebooks are not GNU/Linux, rather a browser running on top of a POSIX kernel that happens to be Linux kernel That happens to be build using gcc, glibc and wayland. If you enable "developer mode" you get access to a subset of coreutils like "cp". You also get "chromebrew" which allows you to install the rest. I think it's fair to say it's GNU/Linux stripped back to the bare essentials, with a custom desktop and a few GUI apps added. And the ability to add a fair chunk of the stripped stuff back. https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guides/device/developer-mode/#dev-mode https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guide... > could be Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow if Google felt so inclined, with the ability to run GNU/Linux workloads inside of a VM. Yes, well Windows could also be a Zirkon or a BSD tomorrow, with the ability to run Windows workloads inside of a VM.