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Did you read the article? It seems like ARM is against Qualcomm using a custom ARM core developed by Nuvia for licensing reasons. Clearly the "off the shelf" p

Did you read the article? It seems like ARM is against Qualcomm using a custom ARM core developed by Nuvia for licensing reasons. Clearly the "off the shelf" processor designs ARM is producing aren't getting anywhere near the performance that Apple is getting from their own designs. Qualcomm are trying to compete by using the Nuvia design, and ARM aren't happy. I have to wonder what value ARM are actually adding here. They want more money (doesn't everyone), but if they're unable to actually design performant processors then all they're really licensing is the instruction set. How long until the manufacturers realise that they can switch to RiscV and not pay ARM anything?

xinayder 2y ago
I don't think RISC-V is mature enough to warrant manufacturers moving to this ISA. If this was the case, we'd already have powerful RISC-V portable computers.
- rcxdude 2y ago
  Qualcomm certainly have some interest in RISC-V, in fact there's a bit of a rift in the ecosystem in part because they are on one side in terms of how the design should go. But that means it's still very early days in terms of anything at the complexity/performance level of these cores being manufactured.
  - snvzz 2y ago
    >it's still very early days in terms of anything at the complexity/performance level of these cores being manufactured. SiFive announced P870[0] last October[1]. It competes with ARM's absolute best. Ventana Veyron V2 and Tenstorrent Ascalon/Alastor are other already announced, highly competitive, very high performance microarchitectures. The high performance chips are coming. RISC-V is inevitable. 0. https://www.sifive.com/cores/performance-p870-p870a https://www.sifive.com/cores/performance-p870-p870a 1. https://www.sifive.com/press/sifive-announces-differentiated-solutions-for-generative https://www.sifive.com/press/sifive-announces-differentiated...

xinayder 2y ago

I don't think RISC-V is mature enough to warrant manufacturers moving to this ISA. If this was the case, we'd already have powerful RISC-V portable computers.

rcxdude 2y ago
Qualcomm certainly have some interest in RISC-V, in fact there's a bit of a rift in the ecosystem in part because they are on one side in terms of how the design should go. But that means it's still very early days in terms of anything at the complexity/performance level of these cores being manufactured.
- snvzz 2y ago
  >it's still very early days in terms of anything at the complexity/performance level of these cores being manufactured. SiFive announced P870[0] last October[1]. It competes with ARM's absolute best. Ventana Veyron V2 and Tenstorrent Ascalon/Alastor are other already announced, highly competitive, very high performance microarchitectures. The high performance chips are coming. RISC-V is inevitable. 0. https://www.sifive.com/cores/performance-p870-p870a https://www.sifive.com/cores/performance-p870-p870a 1. https://www.sifive.com/press/sifive-announces-differentiated-solutions-for-generative https://www.sifive.com/press/sifive-announces-differentiated...