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And why were those Iraqis attacking American soldiers? Perhaps because the US invaded Iraq?

by adhamsalama 2y ago

NicoJuicy 2y ago
You're claiming that Iraqi's were so happy under Saddam's reign, that some even fought for him?
- cardiffspaceman 2y ago
  Never underestimate people defending their home. Remember the Serbs going out with targets painted on their t-shirts when NATO (read “USA”) was bombing Belgrade? Of course that was the 90’s.
  - NicoJuicy 2y ago
    First protest of Iraq was in 1991, but a decades long dictator ofc. has severe military superiority. A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam. Note : not saying it was a good idea with what we know now. And about Serbia. The bombing from "NATO" with a focus on military targets made it possible for it's population to overthrow Milosevic by the citizens a year later. The boots on the ground in this case were the Serbs themselves. From my POV, NATO only provided air-support for them.
    - o11c 2y ago
      > A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam. The real problem with statements like that is that we can say it about literally any leader.
      - NicoJuicy 2y ago
        That already encountered a coup? That barely happens in a democracy.
        dunekid 2y ago
        Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol?
        boffinAudio 2y ago
        Or Ukraine, 2014.
        NicoJuicy 2y ago
        That's not a coup. That's a Russian invasion. Not Ukrainians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukra...
        boffinAudio 2y ago
        The coup preceded the little green men ..
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol? Yes, we get our share of Emperor Nortons [1] and sovereign citizens [2]. Those aren't coups. At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
        dunekid 2y ago
        >At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups. I am tempted to add an image of Jack Sparrow saying, But you've heard of me. That aside, US would not fall for a coup because of the strong institutions in place. But these places are not that mature in its institutions. So they would fall. It doesn't mean that a similar sentiment is not present in US. And for all the talk of the freedom and democracy US always prefers demagogues and dictators in other parts of the world, as long as US can control them. The Capitol insurgency and the stop the steal was pretty popular, but it is not a reason for another country to lie and invade this place. Same should have been applied to Iraq. That's all.
- adhamsalama 2y ago
  Irrelevant to the discussion.

And why were those Iraqis attacking American soldiers? Perhaps because the US invaded Iraq?

NicoJuicy 2y ago

You're claiming that Iraqi's were so happy under Saddam's reign, that some even fought for him?

cardiffspaceman 2y ago
Never underestimate people defending their home. Remember the Serbs going out with targets painted on their t-shirts when NATO (read “USA”) was bombing Belgrade? Of course that was the 90’s.
- NicoJuicy 2y ago
  First protest of Iraq was in 1991, but a decades long dictator ofc. has severe military superiority. A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam. Note : not saying it was a good idea with what we know now. And about Serbia. The bombing from "NATO" with a focus on military targets made it possible for it's population to overthrow Milosevic by the citizens a year later. The boots on the ground in this case were the Serbs themselves. From my POV, NATO only provided air-support for them.
  - o11c 2y ago
    > A lot of Iraqi's were a big fan of toppling Saddam. The real problem with statements like that is that we can say it about literally any leader.
    - NicoJuicy 2y ago
      That already encountered a coup? That barely happens in a democracy.
      - dunekid 2y ago
        Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol?
        boffinAudio 2y ago
        Or Ukraine, 2014.
        NicoJuicy 2y ago
        That's not a coup. That's a Russian invasion. Not Ukrainians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukra...
        boffinAudio 2y ago
        The coup preceded the little green men ..
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Do you remember the insurgency at the Capitol? Yes, we get our share of Emperor Nortons [1] and sovereign citizens [2]. Those aren't coups. At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
        dunekid 2y ago
        >At best, they're idiotically-attempted coups. I am tempted to add an image of Jack Sparrow saying, But you've heard of me. That aside, US would not fall for a coup because of the strong institutions in place. But these places are not that mature in its institutions. So they would fall. It doesn't mean that a similar sentiment is not present in US. And for all the talk of the freedom and democracy US always prefers demagogues and dictators in other parts of the world, as long as US can control them. The Capitol insurgency and the stop the steal was pretty popular, but it is not a reason for another country to lie and invade this place. Same should have been applied to Iraq. That's all.
adhamsalama 2y ago
Irrelevant to the discussion.