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The thing is you can learn a lot with a bootable FreeBSD usb, an old PC and a copy of the "Absolute FreeBSD" or the equivalent for Linux. I strongly believe tha

The thing is you can learn a lot with a bootable FreeBSD usb, an old PC and a copy of the "Absolute FreeBSD" or the equivalent for Linux. I strongly believe that anyone who is not willing to put in the time to learn those stuff won't be able to do anything custom with computers. Shortcut has been there for years now and most people haven't touch it. Many only learn a few actions that apps provide and are content. Their phone are mostly for the things they replace (flashlight, camera, landline, magazines, tv,..). Computing is not one of these. Even taking the time to properly learn Word and Excel is no longer a thing. Anything LLM can do locally, you can do it better with another, less demanding tool. And what they help with, it would be faster to just learn how to do it.

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Hence the time the talk spends dwelling on how this isn't an "everyone" thing any more than it's a "professional devs" thing. The point, or at least the point as I understood it, is to broaden the space for people who want to learn enough to support the things that matter to them, and no more. Again, there's nothing new in this; in fact it's much the way things were when 8-bit micros and BASIC were about as fancy as most ever saw, yet anyone who ever saw a computer could hardly help but see them. Maybe you'd learn to use those tools and maybe you wouldn't, but you knew they were there for you and the assumption was that you could learn enough to use them. More did than I think a lot of folks in their 20s today easily imagine. I don't blame them; if all I'd ever seen was how things are now, I'm sure I'd be the same. But people made things the way they are now. People can make them otherwise. There's also no assumption in the talk that everyone involved is a loner, an atomized individual, the way you seem to assume would be true. Indeed, quite the contrary: community, in word and in concept, suffuses the text in its entirety, to such an extent it seems surprising its constant immanence could be overlooked even on a brief skim. Admittedly, that's a difficult concept for many to fathom in 2020s America. I'm certainly among that number. But I'm also old enough to remember when things were better, and young enough still to imagine a future where things are better again. I just hope I'm not too old to still make myself useful by the time they start to be.

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Hence the time the talk spends dwelling on how this isn't an "everyone" thing any more than it's a "professional devs" thing. The point, or at least the point as I understood it, is to broaden the space for people who want to learn enough to support the things that matter to them, and no more. Again, there's nothing new in this; in fact it's much the way things were when 8-bit micros and BASIC were about as fancy as most ever saw, yet anyone who ever saw a computer could hardly help but see them. Maybe you'd learn to use those tools and maybe you wouldn't, but you knew they were there for you and the assumption was that you could learn enough to use them. More did than I think a lot of folks in their 20s today easily imagine. I don't blame them; if all I'd ever seen was how things are now, I'm sure I'd be the same. But people made things the way they are now. People can make them otherwise. There's also no assumption in the talk that everyone involved is a loner, an atomized individual, the way you seem to assume would be true. Indeed, quite the contrary: community, in word and in concept, suffuses the text in its entirety, to such an extent it seems surprising its constant immanence could be overlooked even on a brief skim. Admittedly, that's a difficult concept for many to fathom in 2020s America. I'm certainly among that number. But I'm also old enough to remember when things were better, and young enough still to imagine a future where things are better again. I just hope I'm not too old to still make myself useful by the time they start to be.