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quote: The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. W

by ibotty 14y ago

quote: The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. No matter how you identify yourself or how others perceive you: we welcome you. We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community. While much of the work for our project is technical in nature, we value and encourage contributions from those with expertise in other areas, and welcome them into our community.

paulgb 14y ago
Is that the version that has been accepted in its entirety? I haven't been following this but also found another version on their mailing list: > The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. > We are committed to being a community that everyone feels good about joining. Although we may not be able to satisty everyone, we will always work to treat everyone well. > Whenever any participant has made a mistake, we expect them to take responsibility for it. If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong. > Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honour diversity in age, culture, ethnicity, genotype, gender identity or expression, language, national origin, neurotype, phenotype, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, subculture and technical ability. > Ideas and wording for this statement were based on diversity statements from the Ubuntu community <http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/diversity> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/diversity>, the Python community <http://www.python.org/community/diversity&#62 http://www.python.org/community/diversity> and Dreamwidth Studios <http://www.dreamwidth.org/legal/diversity> http://www.dreamwidth.org/legal/diversity>. > This document is usable under a Creative Commons 3.0 BY-SA license.
- ibotty 14y ago
  the official page has the version i quoted. what you quoted also looks kind of familiar. maybe an older revision. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2012/05/msg00011.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2012/05/msg00011.html
cookiecaper 14y ago
At some point these things become so broad that they exclude any non-technical discussion. If Debian welcomes everybody, they also welcome white supremacists, nazis, murderers, hippies, polygamists, and other groups which the West views as undesirable. Under a literal interpretation of their statement, I can make practically any statement and any ostracization would violate their listed principles. What if I say I engage in sending 1000 spam emails to the Debian list every day, and that I believe this will make God happy with me? Debian will be contradicting their statement if they do violence to my spam messages, because they will not be respectful of my religion. Here's a less disruptive scenario in terms of the ability for the list to function: What if I believe it is my religious responsiblity to broadcast the message "God Hates Fags" to the Debian list, as the WBC in the US believes it is their religious responsibility to broadcast this message to the US populous via street protests? Debian would contradict their statement if any ostracization occurred on their list, if my messages were banned, if I were asked to change my sig, or if any other direct negative consequence was perpetrated or assisted by a Debian developer because of my post. If Hans Reiser ever writes a Debian list, I expect him to be treated like any other contributor based on that statement. What is this supposed to mean or solve? I don't really get it. If the intention is to stop any politically incorrect speech, a literal reading of that statement surely does not do so. Why do we want to stop all politically incorrect speech in the first place? EDIT: Note, this has been edited. Some upvoters may have upvoted when less incendiary language was in use.
- sciurus 14y ago
  What part of "We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community" did you miss?
  - cookiecaper 14y ago
    And who determines what represents a constructive interaction? Is it something that upsets people? If so, doesn't that mean that Debian does not respect religious or ideological beliefs that are interpreted as threatening by the mainstream WASP (as Debian is mainly comprised of WASP contributors)? If so, what was the point of this statement, again?

by ibotty 14y ago

paulgb 14y ago

Is that the version that has been accepted in its entirety? I haven't been following this but also found another version on their mailing list: > The Debian Project welcomes and encourages participation by everyone. > We are committed to being a community that everyone feels good about joining. Although we may not be able to satisty everyone, we will always work to treat everyone well. > Whenever any participant has made a mistake, we expect them to take responsibility for it. If someone has been harmed or offended, it is our responsibility to listen carefully and respectfully, and do our best to right the wrong. > Although this list cannot be exhaustive, we explicitly honour diversity in age, culture, ethnicity, genotype, gender identity or expression, language, national origin, neurotype, phenotype, political beliefs, profession, race, religion, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, subculture and technical ability. > Ideas and wording for this statement were based on diversity statements from the Ubuntu community <http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/diversity> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/diversity>, the Python community <http://www.python.org/community/diversity&#62 http://www.python.org/community/diversity> and Dreamwidth Studios <http://www.dreamwidth.org/legal/diversity> http://www.dreamwidth.org/legal/diversity>. > This document is usable under a Creative Commons 3.0 BY-SA license.

ibotty 14y ago
the official page has the version i quoted. what you quoted also looks kind of familiar. maybe an older revision. http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2012/05/msg00011.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2012/05/msg00011.html

cookiecaper 14y ago

At some point these things become so broad that they exclude any non-technical discussion. If Debian welcomes everybody, they also welcome white supremacists, nazis, murderers, hippies, polygamists, and other groups which the West views as undesirable. Under a literal interpretation of their statement, I can make practically any statement and any ostracization would violate their listed principles. What if I say I engage in sending 1000 spam emails to the Debian list every day, and that I believe this will make God happy with me? Debian will be contradicting their statement if they do violence to my spam messages, because they will not be respectful of my religion. Here's a less disruptive scenario in terms of the ability for the list to function: What if I believe it is my religious responsiblity to broadcast the message "God Hates Fags" to the Debian list, as the WBC in the US believes it is their religious responsibility to broadcast this message to the US populous via street protests? Debian would contradict their statement if any ostracization occurred on their list, if my messages were banned, if I were asked to change my sig, or if any other direct negative consequence was perpetrated or assisted by a Debian developer because of my post. If Hans Reiser ever writes a Debian list, I expect him to be treated like any other contributor based on that statement. What is this supposed to mean or solve? I don't really get it. If the intention is to stop any politically incorrect speech, a literal reading of that statement surely does not do so. Why do we want to stop all politically incorrect speech in the first place? EDIT: Note, this has been edited. Some upvoters may have upvoted when less incendiary language was in use.

sciurus 14y ago
What part of "We welcome contributions from everyone as long as they interact constructively with our community" did you miss?
- cookiecaper 14y ago
  And who determines what represents a constructive interaction? Is it something that upsets people? If so, doesn't that mean that Debian does not respect religious or ideological beliefs that are interpreted as threatening by the mainstream WASP (as Debian is mainly comprised of WASP contributors)? If so, what was the point of this statement, again?