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Surely google can't be credited with not selling data to advertisers?

by jopt 14y ago

roopeshv 14y ago
http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ please read "information we share" section
- vnorby 14y ago
  I am one of the authors of our new policy. Please read that part of their policy carefully: "We do not share personal information with companies, organizations and individuals outside of Google unless one of the following circumstances apply:" "We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information." Sensitive personal information: "This is a particular category of personal information relating to confidential medical facts, racial or ethnic origins, political or religious beliefs or sexuality." All other personal data can be shared on an opt-out basis if they would like - it doesn't say anything to the contrary about this. You could read Facebook's policy and make the same comment: "We do not share any of your information with advertisers (unless, of course, you give us permission)." And, of course, one of the ways you can give them permission may be by using the site. It doesn't explicitly say how you give them permission anywhere on the policy. On our new Policy, we state the facts simply. We don't sell your data in any case, and the only time we ever give it up is when we are being forced to by law. Big companies use legalese to hide and otherwise obscure facts from you and to grant themselves rights to your data that they shouldn't have. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer and if you don't like our policy, don't use our site (as with any site). Whether or not I'm right or not about Google or Facebook's policy and what they intend, I still don't really understand how mentioning whether Google has a similar policy is relevant to the discussion at hand. We decided to write our own policy because we thought it was doing right by our users, and we encourage others to do the same. Our policy was not written to attack Google or any other company specifically and there's nothing in there that should lead you to interpret it that way.
  - roopeshv 14y ago
    No. it's not opt out. it's "how do you want to share it?". Tell me where exactly this "opt-out" is, i would like to know. No, I don't give permission by using the site. That's blatanly dishonest to say that. They already mention that already. I understand you wrote the new TOS, but I'm not sure how you are understanding Goog's TOS. It's always opt-in. probably the only opt out i know of is from their search crawler for websites.
    - koeselitz 14y ago
      Sorry for saying so, but this seems like a weird axe to grind. I think your initial comment got downvoted because it seemed sort of like a backhanded criticism; but now it seems sort of like you just wanted to show that you'd read Google's TOS. I am still not sure what Google's TOS has to do with EveryMe's TOS. Either way, "opt-in" or "opt-out" is in this case a technical distinction. EveryMe's sharing of data isn't opt-anything. They don't do it. Period. Doesn't that constitute a difference?
      - roopeshv 14y ago
        i would say it's a difference, but opt-in is always a good way to go. I always (atleast, i think so) I make most optins consciously). I would say everyme has a good TOS/Priv Stmt, compared to google, if it says "this privacy policy stands forever, and will not be changed". I know you can't promise that, and I will not ask you to, but that's only case where I would have more trust for keeping the data with you compared to google's. Or I would trust goog's policies better it addresses the legal aspect of it, while being humanly readable and understandable. The only thing that differentiates you (as in everyme, most references are same)and goog is they have to cover base for billions of people they are handling. Even if it's snarky (though I didn't make it so), why would someone downvote it rather than disagree with a comment (HN guidelines please). Please downvote if it doesn't add to discussion. What we had above is discussion.
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- roopeshv 14y ago
  No. it's not opt out. it's "how do you want to share it?". Tell me where exactly this "opt-out" is, i would like to know. No, I don't give permission by using the site. That's blatanly dishonest to say that. They already mention that already. I understand you wrote the new TOS, but I'm not sure how you are understanding Goog's TOS. It's always opt-in. probably the only opt out i know of is from their search crawler for websites.

Surely google can't be credited with not selling data to advertisers?

by jopt 14y ago

Surely google can't be credited with not selling data to advertisers?

http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ please read "information we share" section

vnorby 14y ago
I am one of the authors of our new policy. Please read that part of their policy carefully: "We do not share personal information with companies, organizations and individuals outside of Google unless one of the following circumstances apply:" "We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information." Sensitive personal information: "This is a particular category of personal information relating to confidential medical facts, racial or ethnic origins, political or religious beliefs or sexuality." All other personal data can be shared on an opt-out basis if they would like - it doesn't say anything to the contrary about this. You could read Facebook's policy and make the same comment: "We do not share any of your information with advertisers (unless, of course, you give us permission)." And, of course, one of the ways you can give them permission may be by using the site. It doesn't explicitly say how you give them permission anywhere on the policy. On our new Policy, we state the facts simply. We don't sell your data in any case, and the only time we ever give it up is when we are being forced to by law. Big companies use legalese to hide and otherwise obscure facts from you and to grant themselves rights to your data that they shouldn't have. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer and if you don't like our policy, don't use our site (as with any site). Whether or not I'm right or not about Google or Facebook's policy and what they intend, I still don't really understand how mentioning whether Google has a similar policy is relevant to the discussion at hand. We decided to write our own policy because we thought it was doing right by our users, and we encourage others to do the same. Our policy was not written to attack Google or any other company specifically and there's nothing in there that should lead you to interpret it that way.
- roopeshv 14y ago
  No. it's not opt out. it's "how do you want to share it?". Tell me where exactly this "opt-out" is, i would like to know. No, I don't give permission by using the site. That's blatanly dishonest to say that. They already mention that already. I understand you wrote the new TOS, but I'm not sure how you are understanding Goog's TOS. It's always opt-in. probably the only opt out i know of is from their search crawler for websites.
  - koeselitz 14y ago
    Sorry for saying so, but this seems like a weird axe to grind. I think your initial comment got downvoted because it seemed sort of like a backhanded criticism; but now it seems sort of like you just wanted to show that you'd read Google's TOS. I am still not sure what Google's TOS has to do with EveryMe's TOS. Either way, "opt-in" or "opt-out" is in this case a technical distinction. EveryMe's sharing of data isn't opt-anything. They don't do it. Period. Doesn't that constitute a difference?
    - roopeshv 14y ago
      i would say it's a difference, but opt-in is always a good way to go. I always (atleast, i think so) I make most optins consciously). I would say everyme has a good TOS/Priv Stmt, compared to google, if it says "this privacy policy stands forever, and will not be changed". I know you can't promise that, and I will not ask you to, but that's only case where I would have more trust for keeping the data with you compared to google's. Or I would trust goog's policies better it addresses the legal aspect of it, while being humanly readable and understandable. The only thing that differentiates you (as in everyme, most references are same)and goog is they have to cover base for billions of people they are handling. Even if it's snarky (though I didn't make it so), why would someone downvote it rather than disagree with a comment (HN guidelines please). Please downvote if it doesn't add to discussion. What we had above is discussion.

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roopeshv 14y ago
No. it's not opt out. it's "how do you want to share it?". Tell me where exactly this "opt-out" is, i would like to know. No, I don't give permission by using the site. That's blatanly dishonest to say that. They already mention that already. I understand you wrote the new TOS, but I'm not sure how you are understanding Goog's TOS. It's always opt-in. probably the only opt out i know of is from their search crawler for websites.