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> the cynical seasoned pro Im that guy. She is way off the mark on some trivial points in there and they are easy to overlook. Right now the big players are

> the cynical seasoned pro Im that guy. She is way off the mark on some trivial points in there and they are easy to overlook. Right now the big players are pouring money into hardware. There is a lot of talent out on the street. If they aren't resting and vesting in those orgs what are they going to do? It's possible for a small team to bootstrap with ZERO money. How much do you need to earn enough to support 3 devs? Apple only takes 15% if you make less than a million a year. Is that a staff of 3? They only take 15 percent of subscriptions!!! That dosen't include android. If you dont piss away money on on cloud (vps), on everything as a service (login, metrics) the economics are amazing. There's room in the market for 1000 founders who do very well, you wont be google but you can live a more than comfortable life.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago
But the app store experience is to push people to ever bigger and bigger apps. We don't incrementally explore & expand our competency, we don't augment human intellect, we don't form man-machine symbiosis: we get pushed to the biggest already most successful apps, that leave us supplicants to their ever changing laws & dictums. The app stores by their nature don't actually let people into computing. They are the sad old pre-connected paradigm, entrenching top down systems control. What Maggie is tapping into is more than the 15/30% cut. It's about possibility & connection, about software we have power over & can shape & share. The software we have today is all dead software, delivered to us on a platter, and that dead modality is not befitting the greatness humanity can & should be tapping into. Local First is inherently not bound, not fixed into interaction with the golems created by far off others. It allows more. It allows soul. That earnest engage-ability is something that's been missing from the consumerized world, has created enormous disbelief & disdain in a place where hope & possibility once sprung freely. http://malleable.systems http://malleable.systems now! ---- Regarding whether users will or not? Local First has a set of first principles to keep us from being too bound by software. The particular tools we have at any given point are arbitrary, secondary. Who knows what would happen if we did have the capabilities, because right now we don't have the capabilities. Yes, Local First is about bootstrapping something new. No it doesn't create the barefoot developers automatically, doesn't make that imminent. But it makes it possible. And some will convert in, some will start being barefoot developers as it becomes possible. If & only if we make it possible. The cynicism about those who won't or the state of our tools is not yet due.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > we have power over & can shape & share This is where She's being way too optimistic. What we have now is software that looks like macdonalds. She thinks the tools we have are going to enable home cooking. Software is way harder than that. The step between is "local" restaurants. You dont need to build software for 8 billion people, or 300 million Americans. You can build for a region, or a niche group. > It allows more. It allows soul. You might not be old enough to remember zine's but they were a thing. We're about to have the software equivalent.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
    > What we have now is software that looks like macdonalds. What we have now is often software that looks like a food hall: it has to contain all the features that anyone interested in some general area of functionality might want. She thinks that sometimes it's going to be good to just cook up a Thai meal because that's all you actually need/want right now.

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

But the app store experience is to push people to ever bigger and bigger apps. We don't incrementally explore & expand our competency, we don't augment human intellect, we don't form man-machine symbiosis: we get pushed to the biggest already most successful apps, that leave us supplicants to their ever changing laws & dictums. The app stores by their nature don't actually let people into computing. They are the sad old pre-connected paradigm, entrenching top down systems control. What Maggie is tapping into is more than the 15/30% cut. It's about possibility & connection, about software we have power over & can shape & share. The software we have today is all dead software, delivered to us on a platter, and that dead modality is not befitting the greatness humanity can & should be tapping into. Local First is inherently not bound, not fixed into interaction with the golems created by far off others. It allows more. It allows soul. That earnest engage-ability is something that's been missing from the consumerized world, has created enormous disbelief & disdain in a place where hope & possibility once sprung freely. http://malleable.systems http://malleable.systems now! ---- Regarding whether users will or not? Local First has a set of first principles to keep us from being too bound by software. The particular tools we have at any given point are arbitrary, secondary. Who knows what would happen if we did have the capabilities, because right now we don't have the capabilities. Yes, Local First is about bootstrapping something new. No it doesn't create the barefoot developers automatically, doesn't make that imminent. But it makes it possible. And some will convert in, some will start being barefoot developers as it becomes possible. If & only if we make it possible. The cynicism about those who won't or the state of our tools is not yet due.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> we have power over & can shape & share This is where She's being way too optimistic. What we have now is software that looks like macdonalds. She thinks the tools we have are going to enable home cooking. Software is way harder than that. The step between is "local" restaurants. You dont need to build software for 8 billion people, or 300 million Americans. You can build for a region, or a niche group. > It allows more. It allows soul. You might not be old enough to remember zine's but they were a thing. We're about to have the software equivalent.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
  > What we have now is software that looks like macdonalds. What we have now is often software that looks like a food hall: it has to contain all the features that anyone interested in some general area of functionality might want. She thinks that sometimes it's going to be good to just cook up a Thai meal because that's all you actually need/want right now.