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exactly like google's terms, minus the legalese

by roopeshv 14y ago

roopeshv 14y ago
if you don't agree, reply. don't downvote
- koeselitz 14y ago
  Well - you made a blunt statement that seems at the very least unintuitive without backing it up at all. The part of this policy that sticks out at me in this regard is this: >> We do not sell your data to advertisers or any third parties under any condition. We don't make any tools that let advertisers access or sell ads on your data. We don't track you. The only stats we track are aggregated usage data across the site, and we only use this information for our own purposes. Doesn't Google "let advertisers... sell ads on your data"? Doesn't Google track you? Honestly, this seems very different from Google.
  - roopeshv 14y ago
    http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ read "information we share" section. google takes advertisers money to match, "not sell", the ads on your data. http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ read "Your Content in our Services" about who owns the data. Google does have a very good TOS, protecting itself and also the users. The problem is no one has ever read their TOS properly. If you want to understand the TOS you have to read it in whole, and not just selected statements. I didn't have to back it up because anyone can read google's TOS because it is obvious in the face when it read it. Does that answer why I wrote what i wrote. The reason I wrote that is because I have read their TOS, esp. since 50% of my digital life is in google mail and I had to be careful when I made that choice. I make choice not based on who's using "plain language/easy to read", but who's covering the most bases.
    - vnorby 14y ago
      TOS and Privacy Policy are not the same thing. Terms of Service' state what rules the user must follow on the service. Privacy Policies state what rules the company will follow with regards to user data.
      - roopeshv 14y ago
        their TOS refers to privacy policy. dont' read things in isolations and without context.
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jopt 14y ago
Surely google can't be credited with not selling data to advertisers?
- roopeshv 14y ago
  http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ please read "information we share" section
  - vnorby 14y ago
    I am one of the authors of our new policy. Please read that part of their policy carefully: "We do not share personal information with companies, organizations and individuals outside of Google unless one of the following circumstances apply:" "We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information." Sensitive personal information: "This is a particular category of personal information relating to confidential medical facts, racial or ethnic origins, political or religious beliefs or sexuality." All other personal data can be shared on an opt-out basis if they would like - it doesn't say anything to the contrary about this. You could read Facebook's policy and make the same comment: "We do not share any of your information with advertisers (unless, of course, you give us permission)." And, of course, one of the ways you can give them permission may be by using the site. It doesn't explicitly say how you give them permission anywhere on the policy. On our new Policy, we state the facts simply. We don't sell your data in any case, and the only time we ever give it up is when we are being forced to by law. Big companies use legalese to hide and otherwise obscure facts from you and to grant themselves rights to your data that they shouldn't have. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer and if you don't like our policy, don't use our site (as with any site). Whether or not I'm right or not about Google or Facebook's policy and what they intend, I still don't really understand how mentioning whether Google has a similar policy is relevant to the discussion at hand. We decided to write our own policy because we thought it was doing right by our users, and we encourage others to do the same. Our policy was not written to attack Google or any other company specifically and there's nothing in there that should lead you to interpret it that way.

exactly like google's terms, minus the legalese

roopeshv 14y ago

if you don't agree, reply. don't downvote

koeselitz 14y ago
Well - you made a blunt statement that seems at the very least unintuitive without backing it up at all. The part of this policy that sticks out at me in this regard is this: >> We do not sell your data to advertisers or any third parties under any condition. We don't make any tools that let advertisers access or sell ads on your data. We don't track you. The only stats we track are aggregated usage data across the site, and we only use this information for our own purposes. Doesn't Google "let advertisers... sell ads on your data"? Doesn't Google track you? Honestly, this seems very different from Google.
- roopeshv 14y ago
  http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ read "information we share" section. google takes advertisers money to match, "not sell", the ads on your data. http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/terms/ read "Your Content in our Services" about who owns the data. Google does have a very good TOS, protecting itself and also the users. The problem is no one has ever read their TOS properly. If you want to understand the TOS you have to read it in whole, and not just selected statements. I didn't have to back it up because anyone can read google's TOS because it is obvious in the face when it read it. Does that answer why I wrote what i wrote. The reason I wrote that is because I have read their TOS, esp. since 50% of my digital life is in google mail and I had to be careful when I made that choice. I make choice not based on who's using "plain language/easy to read", but who's covering the most bases.
  - vnorby 14y ago
    TOS and Privacy Policy are not the same thing. Terms of Service' state what rules the user must follow on the service. Privacy Policies state what rules the company will follow with regards to user data.
    - roopeshv 14y ago
      their TOS refers to privacy policy. dont' read things in isolations and without context.
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jopt 14y ago

Surely google can't be credited with not selling data to advertisers?

roopeshv 14y ago
http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ http://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/ please read "information we share" section
- vnorby 14y ago
  I am one of the authors of our new policy. Please read that part of their policy carefully: "We do not share personal information with companies, organizations and individuals outside of Google unless one of the following circumstances apply:" "We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information." Sensitive personal information: "This is a particular category of personal information relating to confidential medical facts, racial or ethnic origins, political or religious beliefs or sexuality." All other personal data can be shared on an opt-out basis if they would like - it doesn't say anything to the contrary about this. You could read Facebook's policy and make the same comment: "We do not share any of your information with advertisers (unless, of course, you give us permission)." And, of course, one of the ways you can give them permission may be by using the site. It doesn't explicitly say how you give them permission anywhere on the policy. On our new Policy, we state the facts simply. We don't sell your data in any case, and the only time we ever give it up is when we are being forced to by law. Big companies use legalese to hide and otherwise obscure facts from you and to grant themselves rights to your data that they shouldn't have. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer and if you don't like our policy, don't use our site (as with any site). Whether or not I'm right or not about Google or Facebook's policy and what they intend, I still don't really understand how mentioning whether Google has a similar policy is relevant to the discussion at hand. We decided to write our own policy because we thought it was doing right by our users, and we encourage others to do the same. Our policy was not written to attack Google or any other company specifically and there's nothing in there that should lead you to interpret it that way.