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Ask HN: I'm trying to understand flagging a submission

1 points by Spod_Gaju 2y ago

So I submitted an A Substack article that I wrote and I understand this could be misconstrued as promotion, but it was not promotion. Just an idea I wanted to share with people. It seemed like it was getting some traction when suddenly it was flagged. I don’t know who to reach out to or ask why this would happen and I don’t know if this was done by, hacker news done by people who saw the article. Thanks for any info.

pwg 2y ago
> why this would happen and I don’t know if this was done by, hacker news done by people who saw the article. Flagging is done by regular users. So it would have been regular users who saw your submission and then flagged it. Why? -- well answering that requires a mind-reading skill we don't have.
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talldayo 2y ago
I think people flagged it because it is considered extremely poor-taste to share medical research not furnished by a doctor. It's fine to open a topic for discussion, but this is not a site staffed by trained medics or anything; most of us are nerds, we'll just be arguing over something inconsequential anyways. So, I think your submission was good-faith but people were right to flag it. It's not really the sort of discussion that ever ends well online, especially when it's not a medical forum staffed by professionals that can mediate the discussion.
- Spod_Gaju 2y ago
  OK, I can understand this, but I think it’s short sighted. I mean, shouldn’t information stand on its own despite where it comes from? Because this argument is kind of a logical fallacy, attacking the messenger. I mean, I get it. There’s a lot of people saying some really stupid stuff and it frustrates me as much as it frustrates most people. But one comment there said they wouldn’t even read the article because I wasn’t a doctor. But they don’t know the work I put in or what I understand or the amount of researchers and doctors I talk to you. For instance, I helped a Stanford researcher design, a clinical trial looking at manganese deficiency for people with chronic fatigue syndrome. And besides, look at the research papers that are coming out now they’re all being retracted and we’re supposed to trust them? I don’t know I guess this is just kind of frustrating because breaking through dogma needs an open mind and I’m afraid because all of the bullshit noise that people with good ideas who are thinking outside of a dogmatic Ideology just het shut down. Anyway, thanks for letting me know.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > But they don’t know the work I put in or what I understand or the amount of researchers and doctors I talk to you. I mean, that's really the root of the problem. When someone has a doctorate in a topic, you can generally trust the quality of their research since they had to pass a rigorous routine. Not always of course, but that's why peer-review exists. With your Medium article, we're taking everything you say with the hope that it's correct and if you're not... who's going to retract your article for you? The medical journals aren't all perfect, but the reason why journals exist at all is to avoid situations like this. I admire your commitment to researching interesting things, but speculating on medicine feels best left to the qualified people.
    - Spod_Gaju 2y ago
      so let’s take this article that was posted today, it was on the front page for a while that did not get flagged https://iandanielstewart.com/2024/06/09/engage-your-audience-by-getting-to-the-point-using-story-structure-and-forcing-specificity/ https://iandanielstewart.com/2024/06/09/engage-your-audience... Who is this guy? I can’t find a thing about his background on his blog and why I should believe anything he says in that article. I even looked for him online and nothing comes up. Maybe other people know who he is but I can’t figure it out. So it’s not really about The source it’s about the content. And if it’s about the content, I find that disappointing that there’s no discussing about it. If I had a bad idea, it can be easily disputed In a discussion. And I’m not talking about practicing medicine, that’s why I said I’m not a doctor. I didn’t say I’m not a doctor, not because I wanted to say I wasn’t smart, I was saying I’m not a doctor because people shouldn’t, use what I talk about as treatment. I’m sorry because I’m really just writing this out because I have Asperger‘s and it helps me understand these things. I mean, the people flagging it might not understand science, but there’s may be a lot of people here that do understand the science and we would talk about it more. And maybe even show me something that’s wrong. we learn not Through agreement but Through disagreement. And the thing is, I’m not just saying things I’ve cited everything. I’ve said all I did was link together the previewed articles to come to a new hypothesis That even setting, the article needs to be tested. Anyway, I’ll Leave it there, because at least I know how to read the room. Thanks again for your patience.
troydavis 2y ago
> I don’t know who to reach out to If the other answers here don't answer your question, there's a contact email address on https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- Spod_Gaju 2y ago
  Thanks!
- Spod_Gaju 2y ago
  I can’t see the contact Email on that page. Is it because I’m on a Smart phone?
  - troydavis 2y ago
    No, it’s because you need to read closer :-) Find for “hn@“ That said, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40650590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40650590 answered your question as thoroughly as anyone can.
sickofparadox 2y ago
FWIW I was following your thread the other day and through it was interesting. I look forward to hearing about whatever ADHD stuff you alluded to in the comments.

1 points by Spod_Gaju 2y ago

pwg 2y ago

> why this would happen and I don’t know if this was done by, hacker news done by people who saw the article. Flagging is done by regular users. So it would have been regular users who saw your submission and then flagged it. Why? -- well answering that requires a mind-reading skill we don't have.

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talldayo 2y ago

I think people flagged it because it is considered extremely poor-taste to share medical research not furnished by a doctor. It's fine to open a topic for discussion, but this is not a site staffed by trained medics or anything; most of us are nerds, we'll just be arguing over something inconsequential anyways. So, I think your submission was good-faith but people were right to flag it. It's not really the sort of discussion that ever ends well online, especially when it's not a medical forum staffed by professionals that can mediate the discussion.

Spod_Gaju 2y ago
OK, I can understand this, but I think it’s short sighted. I mean, shouldn’t information stand on its own despite where it comes from? Because this argument is kind of a logical fallacy, attacking the messenger. I mean, I get it. There’s a lot of people saying some really stupid stuff and it frustrates me as much as it frustrates most people. But one comment there said they wouldn’t even read the article because I wasn’t a doctor. But they don’t know the work I put in or what I understand or the amount of researchers and doctors I talk to you. For instance, I helped a Stanford researcher design, a clinical trial looking at manganese deficiency for people with chronic fatigue syndrome. And besides, look at the research papers that are coming out now they’re all being retracted and we’re supposed to trust them? I don’t know I guess this is just kind of frustrating because breaking through dogma needs an open mind and I’m afraid because all of the bullshit noise that people with good ideas who are thinking outside of a dogmatic Ideology just het shut down. Anyway, thanks for letting me know.
- talldayo 2y ago
  > But they don’t know the work I put in or what I understand or the amount of researchers and doctors I talk to you. I mean, that's really the root of the problem. When someone has a doctorate in a topic, you can generally trust the quality of their research since they had to pass a rigorous routine. Not always of course, but that's why peer-review exists. With your Medium article, we're taking everything you say with the hope that it's correct and if you're not... who's going to retract your article for you? The medical journals aren't all perfect, but the reason why journals exist at all is to avoid situations like this. I admire your commitment to researching interesting things, but speculating on medicine feels best left to the qualified people.
  - Spod_Gaju 2y ago
    so let’s take this article that was posted today, it was on the front page for a while that did not get flagged https://iandanielstewart.com/2024/06/09/engage-your-audience-by-getting-to-the-point-using-story-structure-and-forcing-specificity/ https://iandanielstewart.com/2024/06/09/engage-your-audience... Who is this guy? I can’t find a thing about his background on his blog and why I should believe anything he says in that article. I even looked for him online and nothing comes up. Maybe other people know who he is but I can’t figure it out. So it’s not really about The source it’s about the content. And if it’s about the content, I find that disappointing that there’s no discussing about it. If I had a bad idea, it can be easily disputed In a discussion. And I’m not talking about practicing medicine, that’s why I said I’m not a doctor. I didn’t say I’m not a doctor, not because I wanted to say I wasn’t smart, I was saying I’m not a doctor because people shouldn’t, use what I talk about as treatment. I’m sorry because I’m really just writing this out because I have Asperger‘s and it helps me understand these things. I mean, the people flagging it might not understand science, but there’s may be a lot of people here that do understand the science and we would talk about it more. And maybe even show me something that’s wrong. we learn not Through agreement but Through disagreement. And the thing is, I’m not just saying things I’ve cited everything. I’ve said all I did was link together the previewed articles to come to a new hypothesis That even setting, the article needs to be tested. Anyway, I’ll Leave it there, because at least I know how to read the room. Thanks again for your patience.

troydavis 2y ago

> I don’t know who to reach out to If the other answers here don't answer your question, there's a contact email address on https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Spod_Gaju 2y ago
Thanks!
Spod_Gaju 2y ago
I can’t see the contact Email on that page. Is it because I’m on a Smart phone?
- troydavis 2y ago
  No, it’s because you need to read closer :-) Find for “hn@“ That said, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40650590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40650590 answered your question as thoroughly as anyone can.

sickofparadox 2y ago

FWIW I was following your thread the other day and through it was interesting. I look forward to hearing about whatever ADHD stuff you alluded to in the comments.