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Violent uprising/revolution seems very unnecessary when Canada has regular stable elections in which to change course

by coolbreezetft24 2y ago

potatototoo99 2y ago
Democracies can go astray as well, the will of the majority is not above human rights.
- chollida1 2y ago
  I don't think any one disagrees with this. I do think the poster meant your pithy quote about violence against the government is not any where appropriate in Canada at the moment, or at any point in the past or any foreseeable point in the future.
- barbazoo 2y ago
  I'm thinking a lot about this in the context of what's going on in the US where we're seeing a human rights regression of sorts in many aspects (reproductive rights, free speech, role of law enforcement, etc) unlike in most (all?) other developed nations where the trend is the other way. Human rights are only considered human rights because lots of people believe in them. It's not a universal rule of nature, societies are free to depart from them if they choose to do so. Who are we to force our worldview on a group of people that as a majority has chosen to live life in a different way?! Personally I'm just lucky to be able to choose where I live so that my world views somewhat matches the values of the people around me. Not everyone is that lucky though. Especially marginalized people.
betaby 2y ago
Canada literally have generational politicians in ballot. Same families for 100+ years. I don't see how voting even remotely important here. There is no tangible differences between parties either.
- barbazoo 2y ago
  Our electoral system sucks, that's our main problem in my opinion. But there is a difference between, say, the Cons on one side and the NDP/Greens on the other.
AlbertCory 2y ago
Of course, so did Turkey, until Erdogan. https://www.ft.com/content/855e20dd-e5cd-4695-88d3-ba2b7839f478 https://www.ft.com/content/855e20dd-e5cd-4695-88d3-ba2b7839f... > Before taking the reins of the country, Erdoğan famously said that democracy was a tram you get off when you reach your destination. He did, indeed, get off the democracy tram once he had accumulated enough power.
truthtold1 2y ago
Democracy and abuse are perfectly compatible.

Violent uprising/revolution seems very unnecessary when Canada has regular stable elections in which to change course

potatototoo99 2y ago

Democracies can go astray as well, the will of the majority is not above human rights.

chollida1 2y ago
I don't think any one disagrees with this. I do think the poster meant your pithy quote about violence against the government is not any where appropriate in Canada at the moment, or at any point in the past or any foreseeable point in the future.
barbazoo 2y ago
I'm thinking a lot about this in the context of what's going on in the US where we're seeing a human rights regression of sorts in many aspects (reproductive rights, free speech, role of law enforcement, etc) unlike in most (all?) other developed nations where the trend is the other way. Human rights are only considered human rights because lots of people believe in them. It's not a universal rule of nature, societies are free to depart from them if they choose to do so. Who are we to force our worldview on a group of people that as a majority has chosen to live life in a different way?! Personally I'm just lucky to be able to choose where I live so that my world views somewhat matches the values of the people around me. Not everyone is that lucky though. Especially marginalized people.

betaby 2y ago

Canada literally have generational politicians in ballot. Same families for 100+ years. I don't see how voting even remotely important here. There is no tangible differences between parties either.

barbazoo 2y ago
Our electoral system sucks, that's our main problem in my opinion. But there is a difference between, say, the Cons on one side and the NDP/Greens on the other.

AlbertCory 2y ago

Of course, so did Turkey, until Erdogan. https://www.ft.com/content/855e20dd-e5cd-4695-88d3-ba2b7839f478 https://www.ft.com/content/855e20dd-e5cd-4695-88d3-ba2b7839f... > Before taking the reins of the country, Erdoğan famously said that democracy was a tram you get off when you reach your destination. He did, indeed, get off the democracy tram once he had accumulated enough power.

truthtold1 2y ago

Democracy and abuse are perfectly compatible.