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If you look at most protests lately there is no nuance. They embrace a single view point absolutely to the point of not even considering any others or admitting

If you look at most protests lately there is no nuance. They embrace a single view point absolutely to the point of not even considering any others or admitting that perhaps the issue is complex. They are the target for the political ads and talking points that seize on a single point and use it like a cudgel against the opposition. The worst part is so many of those at protests have only a limited understanding of the issue they are protesting against. Perhaps that's how its always been but social media has just made it more glaringly frustrating.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> If you look at most protests lately there is no nuance. They embrace a single view point absolutely to the point of not even considering any others or admitting that perhaps the issue is complex. You're being far too nice. Monocultures. Facile arguments. Stupid people. Hey, if you want the government accessing your phone, then you should pack up and go to china.
- wonderwonder 2y ago
  I think its more than that. Some of the our supposedly smartest youth at our Ivy leagues are acting in this manner. I think its the same reason people join cults. Lack of friends, the need to belong, an general emptiness inside. Political movements prey on these people. Overall though, I do think you are right, once they join these groups they want to keep their friends and sense of belonging so they are willing to discard any critical thinking or common sense. I think its sad overall.
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    > cults So many people cut off their family members based on political identity in the last 8 years. You're free to do that. But cutting off people who aren't "in" your group is one of the signs of a cult. Scientology is even OVERT about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection_(Scientology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection_(Scientology)
    - lovethevoid 2y ago
      Not sure your claim is really true. I find it hard to believe people are cutting off family members so frivolously when you lose a lot of built in benefits to remaining in that system. Really what seems to be happening to me is the gradual extreme politicization of individuals which over time erodes relationships. An example is an Uncle going from a general “respect everyone” position to advocating in favour of certain groups losing voting rights. Then his family members who may be part of those groups no longer wanting to spend time with him. This is very different from cults, and narcissistic abuse as well, which tends to rely heavily on intentionality (eg a boyfriend isolating you from all your friends so it’s easier to manipulate you). That intentionality is missing when it comes to families breaking apart due to drifting beliefs. Again if we assume their beliefs are the only reason and it’s not stacked on top of others.
      - zer00eyz 2y ago
        > “respect everyone” position to advocating ... no longer wanting to spend time with So abandon a person who is being manipulated? > isolating you from all your friends so it’s easier to manipulate Someone is being isolated so they can be manipulated? Thats an interesting paradox that you have created to excuse a set of behaviors on one side and blame shift on the other.
tmpz22 2y ago
I think its important to admit we all do this in various ways. Consider one of the top threads today [1] and the vitriol in the comments almost as if Satya Nadella had personally schemed such a predatory Minesweeper game. The truth is likely more nuanced, that a disparate part of the Org chart, or even a contractor or partner, was incentivized to build a shit game within their own walled garden, and nobody else at Microsoft are aware or care to look at it. This nuance is important because if you actually want to fix the problem you often need to understand its origin and deconstruct it - likely by setting better organizational guidelines and re-evaluating the incentives that encouraged it in the first place. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40647278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40647278 Yes the vitriol is deserved, but if your goal is to actually-fix-the-problem you need to deconstruct how the bad thing occurred
- wonderwonder 2y ago
  absolutely. Look at politics today. For so many of us, voting for the other side means you are a terrible, stupid person. If everyone is right, we are all terrible, stupid people :) Go to any Reddit political thread to see it in real time. I admit to doing it myself in the past (in real life, not Reddit). I have tried to move past it but still find myself falling into that trap. I have lately tried to approach issues from an assumption that both sides are probably right, they are just focused on different aspects of the same issue. Similar to the elephant and blind men analogy. In our case though the blind men are very aggressive. I'd give a political example but don't want to deal with the downvotes :)
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zer00eyz 2y ago

> If you look at most protests lately there is no nuance. They embrace a single view point absolutely to the point of not even considering any others or admitting that perhaps the issue is complex. You're being far too nice. Monocultures. Facile arguments. Stupid people. Hey, if you want the government accessing your phone, then you should pack up and go to china.

wonderwonder 2y ago
I think its more than that. Some of the our supposedly smartest youth at our Ivy leagues are acting in this manner. I think its the same reason people join cults. Lack of friends, the need to belong, an general emptiness inside. Political movements prey on these people. Overall though, I do think you are right, once they join these groups they want to keep their friends and sense of belonging so they are willing to discard any critical thinking or common sense. I think its sad overall.
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  > cults So many people cut off their family members based on political identity in the last 8 years. You're free to do that. But cutting off people who aren't "in" your group is one of the signs of a cult. Scientology is even OVERT about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection_(Scientology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection_(Scientology)
  - lovethevoid 2y ago
    Not sure your claim is really true. I find it hard to believe people are cutting off family members so frivolously when you lose a lot of built in benefits to remaining in that system. Really what seems to be happening to me is the gradual extreme politicization of individuals which over time erodes relationships. An example is an Uncle going from a general “respect everyone” position to advocating in favour of certain groups losing voting rights. Then his family members who may be part of those groups no longer wanting to spend time with him. This is very different from cults, and narcissistic abuse as well, which tends to rely heavily on intentionality (eg a boyfriend isolating you from all your friends so it’s easier to manipulate you). That intentionality is missing when it comes to families breaking apart due to drifting beliefs. Again if we assume their beliefs are the only reason and it’s not stacked on top of others.
    - zer00eyz 2y ago
      > “respect everyone” position to advocating ... no longer wanting to spend time with So abandon a person who is being manipulated? > isolating you from all your friends so it’s easier to manipulate Someone is being isolated so they can be manipulated? Thats an interesting paradox that you have created to excuse a set of behaviors on one side and blame shift on the other.

tmpz22 2y ago

I think its important to admit we all do this in various ways. Consider one of the top threads today [1] and the vitriol in the comments almost as if Satya Nadella had personally schemed such a predatory Minesweeper game. The truth is likely more nuanced, that a disparate part of the Org chart, or even a contractor or partner, was incentivized to build a shit game within their own walled garden, and nobody else at Microsoft are aware or care to look at it. This nuance is important because if you actually want to fix the problem you often need to understand its origin and deconstruct it - likely by setting better organizational guidelines and re-evaluating the incentives that encouraged it in the first place. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40647278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40647278 Yes the vitriol is deserved, but if your goal is to actually-fix-the-problem you need to deconstruct how the bad thing occurred

wonderwonder 2y ago
absolutely. Look at politics today. For so many of us, voting for the other side means you are a terrible, stupid person. If everyone is right, we are all terrible, stupid people :) Go to any Reddit political thread to see it in real time. I admit to doing it myself in the past (in real life, not Reddit). I have tried to move past it but still find myself falling into that trap. I have lately tried to approach issues from an assumption that both sides are probably right, they are just focused on different aspects of the same issue. Similar to the elephant and blind men analogy. In our case though the blind men are very aggressive. I'd give a political example but don't want to deal with the downvotes :)
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