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"Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned." One would have to prove they are a dif

"Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned." One would have to prove they are a different person/account-location to IT admin support. It is rare, but some companies will simply watch your game-play for a bit to see what you are up to compared to the prior ban details. Note one will likely have to gamble on the compassion of each firms IT admins. "What refund am I asking for that makes this okay?" These sellers are almost always knowingly trying to evade the consequences of their behavior, and trying to recoup their money to buy un-flagged hardware. This is pointless, as there are several anti-cheat queries companies can run, and like any antisocial behavior they usually just make the situation worse for themselves by contaminating the market with more flagged hardware. Eventually their sellers reputation score will warn buyers what they are doing. Getting a refund for the "broken" equipment is a standard ebay RMA process, and Craigslist/meta-Marketplace returns can be a bit more complex. Keep in mind a ban may eventually lift after 12 months, but IT admins may be less convinced of your intent if a user keeps popping up as a problem. "This reads as condescending" It is not my call what companies do with problematic users. And MTG events also bans cheats for marked decks, and pulling unfair tricks that violate the rules. The difference is people will be upset with such antics at the same table. Personally I prefer the Royal Game of Ur over tea, and am always keen to share a good laugh with folks interested in such classics. if one chooses to be miserable/upset, than that is their right too... But it doesn't sound like much fun. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I

wizzwizz4 2y ago
> Getting a refund for the "broken" equipment is a standard ebay RMA process, and Craigslist/meta-Marketplace returns can be a bit more complex. But the equipment isn't broken: it's perfectly-functional. Some third-party putting the GPU's serial number on a naughty list is no reason to demand (nor approve) a return. Even assuming that spoofing is impossible (it's not) and the GPU was involved in illegal behaviour, why assume the seller knows that? Not everyone plays your video game. > This is pointless, as there are several anti-cheat queries companies can run, I'd say it's pointless because you can just instruct your computer to report a different GPU serial number. There's no reason for a cheater to replace the hardware: the only reason to replace a GPU is if it's faulty, or you want a different GPU. > > This reads as condescending > It is not my call what companies do with problematic users. That too, but: what you've written reads as condescending. > And MTG events also bans cheats for marked decks, and pulling unfair tricks that violate the rules. Every time someone writes a criticism of the ban methods, you start defending the bans. There's some kind of miscommunication going on here. GPU serial numbers are not a good proxy for people you want to ban. The burden of this fact should fall on the decision-makers, not everybody else. "Guilty until proven innocent" is not usually considered just.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  If one seriously violates traffic laws, than a municipality will often impound the car too. The GPU signature bans are no different in terms of community standards enforcement. "GPU serial numbers are not a good proxy for people you want to ban" In your opinion, and that is fine for your use-case needs. Note most habitual cheats usually lie or get aggressive when they are repeatedly busted for attempting to sneak back on the servers while under a ban. The 30% that immediately fess up at least have some integrity. We will have to agree to disagree on whether it is morally justified. Yet it is _very_ effective at dealing with that 0.05% problem user, and is already active in many ecosystems. It would be nice seeing a better solution in action... that obviously wouldn't require DRM/rooting a users computer. In my opinion, it is the lesser of two evils. =3

wizzwizz4 2y ago

> Getting a refund for the "broken" equipment is a standard ebay RMA process, and Craigslist/meta-Marketplace returns can be a bit more complex. But the equipment isn't broken: it's perfectly-functional. Some third-party putting the GPU's serial number on a naughty list is no reason to demand (nor approve) a return. Even assuming that spoofing is impossible (it's not) and the GPU was involved in illegal behaviour, why assume the seller knows that? Not everyone plays your video game. > This is pointless, as there are several anti-cheat queries companies can run, I'd say it's pointless because you can just instruct your computer to report a different GPU serial number. There's no reason for a cheater to replace the hardware: the only reason to replace a GPU is if it's faulty, or you want a different GPU. > > This reads as condescending > It is not my call what companies do with problematic users. That too, but: what you've written reads as condescending. > And MTG events also bans cheats for marked decks, and pulling unfair tricks that violate the rules. Every time someone writes a criticism of the ban methods, you start defending the bans. There's some kind of miscommunication going on here. GPU serial numbers are not a good proxy for people you want to ban. The burden of this fact should fall on the decision-makers, not everybody else. "Guilty until proven innocent" is not usually considered just.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
If one seriously violates traffic laws, than a municipality will often impound the car too. The GPU signature bans are no different in terms of community standards enforcement. "GPU serial numbers are not a good proxy for people you want to ban" In your opinion, and that is fine for your use-case needs. Note most habitual cheats usually lie or get aggressive when they are repeatedly busted for attempting to sneak back on the servers while under a ban. The 30% that immediately fess up at least have some integrity. We will have to agree to disagree on whether it is morally justified. Yet it is _very_ effective at dealing with that 0.05% problem user, and is already active in many ecosystems. It would be nice seeing a better solution in action... that obviously wouldn't require DRM/rooting a users computer. In my opinion, it is the lesser of two evils. =3