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Once again, corporate greed along with soulless managers and obedient programmers created a digital abomination :-( If you want to play a very good and old sch

Once again, corporate greed along with soulless managers and obedient programmers created a digital abomination :-( If you want to play a very good and old school minesweeper, try out https://minesweeper.online https://minesweeper.online

ryandrake 2y ago
> obedient programmers Always good to point this out here. HN readers often forget (or deny) that behind every one of these projects is a team of complicit developers actually typing the code in. Engineering is not blameless.
- GOD_Over_Djinn 2y ago
  I wouldn’t exactly say “complicit”. I’m sure that many of them are desperately searching for a new job to get away from whatever idiot product manager decided to put ads and microtransactions in minesweeper. In the meantime, they don’t have much of a choice but to do as they’re told, or be fired.
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    > In the meantime, they don’t have much of a choice but to do as they’re told, or be fired. Well, there is always unionising…
    - WheatMillington 2y ago
      It's not like you can just decide one day that you're in a union now. Do you guys even live in the real world?
      - wizzwizz4 2y ago
        You actually can, if everyone else also decides that at the same time. That's the necessary and sufficient condition. It reduces to a coordination problem. If everyone wants to unionise, the only hard part is doing it: but that is only as hard as just… doing it. If you think you'd benefit from a union, then either: (1) you're an outlier (unlikely); (2) you're mistaken (possible); or (3) many of your colleagues would also benefit from a union. Talking to your colleagues about unionising (over a communications channel not controlled by your employer) is a sensible next step in each of these cases.
        WheatMillington 2y ago
        >if everyone else also decides that at the same time You realise that this is a show stopper, right?
        wizzwizz4 2y ago
        Considering that many unions exist… no, it's not. It's easier to start a union now than it was back when unions were invented.
- WheatMillington 2y ago
  Are you seriously here blaming workers for doing their job?
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    I mean, everyone directly involved in the creation of a product should at least share the credit and share the blame. Software developers are not special robotic automatons without agency.

ryandrake 2y ago

> obedient programmers Always good to point this out here. HN readers often forget (or deny) that behind every one of these projects is a team of complicit developers actually typing the code in. Engineering is not blameless.

GOD_Over_Djinn 2y ago
I wouldn’t exactly say “complicit”. I’m sure that many of them are desperately searching for a new job to get away from whatever idiot product manager decided to put ads and microtransactions in minesweeper. In the meantime, they don’t have much of a choice but to do as they’re told, or be fired.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  > In the meantime, they don’t have much of a choice but to do as they’re told, or be fired. Well, there is always unionising…
  - WheatMillington 2y ago
    It's not like you can just decide one day that you're in a union now. Do you guys even live in the real world?
    - wizzwizz4 2y ago
      You actually can, if everyone else also decides that at the same time. That's the necessary and sufficient condition. It reduces to a coordination problem. If everyone wants to unionise, the only hard part is doing it: but that is only as hard as just… doing it. If you think you'd benefit from a union, then either: (1) you're an outlier (unlikely); (2) you're mistaken (possible); or (3) many of your colleagues would also benefit from a union. Talking to your colleagues about unionising (over a communications channel not controlled by your employer) is a sensible next step in each of these cases.
      - WheatMillington 2y ago
        >if everyone else also decides that at the same time You realise that this is a show stopper, right?
        wizzwizz4 2y ago
        Considering that many unions exist… no, it's not. It's easier to start a union now than it was back when unions were invented.
WheatMillington 2y ago
Are you seriously here blaming workers for doing their job?
- ryandrake 2y ago
  I mean, everyone directly involved in the creation of a product should at least share the credit and share the blame. Software developers are not special robotic automatons without agency.