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Actually Elon's politics aren't really the reason I hate him. The main reason I started hating him was calling a guy a pedophile because he didn't want to use

Actually Elon's politics aren't really the reason I hate him. The main reason I started hating him was calling a guy a pedophile because he didn't want to use Elon's stupid submarine in a cave rescue, but I also think that Elon is potentially complicit in some crypto pump and dump. I have no direct proof of the latter, other than I think it was a little weird that he suddenly was fully onboard with Dogecoin until he wasn't very shortly after.

CamelCaseName 2y ago
Once you realize that all wealthy people are just talking their book, everything starts to make sense. Why did Elon suddenly go so hard against OpenAI and now Apple? Because he was planning to, and then did, launch his own AI business.
- tombert 2y ago
  I mean, I don't dislike Elon so much that I'm going to blanket hate everything he does purely because he's involved; if Elon can do AI better than OpenAI then by all means he should do it. Do I actually think he's able to? No, not really, but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong. Though I keep using the personal "he", which lets be honest is not really accurate. Elon hires some smart people who do the actual work, and like most people who are high enough in the corporate ladder, doesn't really do anything other than be the face of the brand.
- randomdata 2y ago
  But mostly because his own AI business launch was OpenAI. He eventually left because he wanted to start a for-profit AI division under Tesla and felt it was a conflict of interest with OpenAI's mission. But then OpenAI violated its own mission anyway – which is when Musk became unhappy about it. There would have been no reason for him to step down if he'd have known OpenAI was going to go in that direction all along.
  - tombert 2y ago
    I mean, organization priorities change all the time. Unless Elon is a moron, he should have known that there was always a risk that they'd eventually add a for-profit entity; it's entirely possible that they had no plans for it when he was there and then they later changed priorities. That's really not weird, and I really don't think Elon should be "unhappy" about it. That said, I do think that the name "OpenAI" does kind of imply non-profit, so I guess you could argue that there's some dishonesty there.
    - randomdata 2y ago
      > Unless Elon is a moron He very well may be, but he is also seemingly human (sometimes, at least). He provided the major funding with a certain goal in mind. It would be hard for any human to not be unhappy to see that go to waste. I mean, if you bought your friend a house to provide them with what you saw as needed shelter, and then said friend decided to tear down the house and use it as fuel for a fun weekend campfire, you'd probably be unhappy too – even though logically it isn't for you to decide; you chose to give it away. 'Tis the way of the irrational human.
      - tombert 2y ago
        I don't think the analogy completely fits; if I bought my friend a house it's probably because I was doing something nice for them because they're my friend. Elon is a human but he's also a businessman, and he should know that these kinds of decisions are decidedly not-personal. Elon probably has some degree of empathy and feelings, but businesses themselves do not, businesses are sociopathic. If this were some 22 year old who just got some VC money, I'd be a lot more sympathetic, but at this point Elon had been in business for decades and had made many billions of dollars doing it. He should have known that unless it was in some kind of binding contract everything is liable to change. ETA: I know it comes off as cynical, but I will never have even a 0.01% of the success that Elon has, but I feel anyone who has been in the working world long enough eventually discovers that businesses kind of have to be evil, at least to some degree. Businesses will treat you like "family", and they will try really hard to convince you that they're "family" or "friends" because they buy you lunch occasionally, but they are fundamentally not. You don't just fire a family member because you don't feel like you're getting sufficient ROI on your investment with them or because the economy takes a nosediv, you don't just snatch away their health insurance the second they do something wrong. Elon, at this point, shouldn't really think that people he's doing business with are any more honest than any other company. If I am aware of this, he should be too.
rightbyte 2y ago
Isn't Dogecoin a 'stonk'-meme joke going wild? Like, I am not giving Musk the benefit of a doubt, but it has to be easy to just say "it was a joke" in that case?
- tombert 2y ago
  I think those arguments fall a little flat when he started Tweeting about Tesla accepting Dogecoin as a payment. Moreover, intentional or not it definitely led to huge inflation of Dogecoin. The thing is, this isn't some random 20 year old posting meme, this was (at the time) like the second richest guy in the world with a lot of social media presence and as such I do think he needs to be more careful about stuff that's "just a joke bro!" For better or worse, people do trust these billionaires as financial geniuses and I don't think "I was just messing" is a terribly good excuse.
  - me_me_me 2y ago
    >> The live Dogecoin price today is $0.138449 USD with a 24-hour trading volume of $1,121,946,302 USD. We update our DOGE to USD price in real-time. Dogecoin is down 5.38% in the last 24 hours. The current CoinMarketCap ranking is #8, with a live market cap of Those are joke numbers? It might have started as a joke but money is money.

CamelCaseName 2y ago

Once you realize that all wealthy people are just talking their book, everything starts to make sense. Why did Elon suddenly go so hard against OpenAI and now Apple? Because he was planning to, and then did, launch his own AI business.

tombert 2y ago
I mean, I don't dislike Elon so much that I'm going to blanket hate everything he does purely because he's involved; if Elon can do AI better than OpenAI then by all means he should do it. Do I actually think he's able to? No, not really, but I'd be happy for him to prove me wrong. Though I keep using the personal "he", which lets be honest is not really accurate. Elon hires some smart people who do the actual work, and like most people who are high enough in the corporate ladder, doesn't really do anything other than be the face of the brand.
randomdata 2y ago
But mostly because his own AI business launch was OpenAI. He eventually left because he wanted to start a for-profit AI division under Tesla and felt it was a conflict of interest with OpenAI's mission. But then OpenAI violated its own mission anyway – which is when Musk became unhappy about it. There would have been no reason for him to step down if he'd have known OpenAI was going to go in that direction all along.
- tombert 2y ago
  I mean, organization priorities change all the time. Unless Elon is a moron, he should have known that there was always a risk that they'd eventually add a for-profit entity; it's entirely possible that they had no plans for it when he was there and then they later changed priorities. That's really not weird, and I really don't think Elon should be "unhappy" about it. That said, I do think that the name "OpenAI" does kind of imply non-profit, so I guess you could argue that there's some dishonesty there.
  - randomdata 2y ago
    > Unless Elon is a moron He very well may be, but he is also seemingly human (sometimes, at least). He provided the major funding with a certain goal in mind. It would be hard for any human to not be unhappy to see that go to waste. I mean, if you bought your friend a house to provide them with what you saw as needed shelter, and then said friend decided to tear down the house and use it as fuel for a fun weekend campfire, you'd probably be unhappy too – even though logically it isn't for you to decide; you chose to give it away. 'Tis the way of the irrational human.
    - tombert 2y ago
      I don't think the analogy completely fits; if I bought my friend a house it's probably because I was doing something nice for them because they're my friend. Elon is a human but he's also a businessman, and he should know that these kinds of decisions are decidedly not-personal. Elon probably has some degree of empathy and feelings, but businesses themselves do not, businesses are sociopathic. If this were some 22 year old who just got some VC money, I'd be a lot more sympathetic, but at this point Elon had been in business for decades and had made many billions of dollars doing it. He should have known that unless it was in some kind of binding contract everything is liable to change. ETA: I know it comes off as cynical, but I will never have even a 0.01% of the success that Elon has, but I feel anyone who has been in the working world long enough eventually discovers that businesses kind of have to be evil, at least to some degree. Businesses will treat you like "family", and they will try really hard to convince you that they're "family" or "friends" because they buy you lunch occasionally, but they are fundamentally not. You don't just fire a family member because you don't feel like you're getting sufficient ROI on your investment with them or because the economy takes a nosediv, you don't just snatch away their health insurance the second they do something wrong. Elon, at this point, shouldn't really think that people he's doing business with are any more honest than any other company. If I am aware of this, he should be too.

rightbyte 2y ago

Isn't Dogecoin a 'stonk'-meme joke going wild? Like, I am not giving Musk the benefit of a doubt, but it has to be easy to just say "it was a joke" in that case?

tombert 2y ago
I think those arguments fall a little flat when he started Tweeting about Tesla accepting Dogecoin as a payment. Moreover, intentional or not it definitely led to huge inflation of Dogecoin. The thing is, this isn't some random 20 year old posting meme, this was (at the time) like the second richest guy in the world with a lot of social media presence and as such I do think he needs to be more careful about stuff that's "just a joke bro!" For better or worse, people do trust these billionaires as financial geniuses and I don't think "I was just messing" is a terribly good excuse.
- me_me_me 2y ago
  >> The live Dogecoin price today is $0.138449 USD with a 24-hour trading volume of $1,121,946,302 USD. We update our DOGE to USD price in real-time. Dogecoin is down 5.38% in the last 24 hours. The current CoinMarketCap ranking is #8, with a live market cap of Those are joke numbers? It might have started as a joke but money is money.