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I didn’t delve this story, I just remember I saw a five minutes info at some tv channel in France, which was interviewing a guy who refused to for the ride just

I didn’t delve this story, I just remember I saw a five minutes info at some tv channel in France, which was interviewing a guy who refused to for the ride just before the launch as he estimated the safety level he was expecting was not there. I don’t know if other riders were aware of that fact, which should have been communicated to them as a big red alert. Sad story, really. These people at least died while actively pursuing a dream, though it finished in a dramatic way. This is unlike so many people in Gaza or Ukraine just to mention what pop out of my mind. :’(

criddell 2y ago
> I don’t know if other riders were aware of that fact, which should have been communicated to them as a big red alert. As I understand it, the passengers were made aware of the risks. https://www.businessinsider.com/read-oceangate-waiver-titan-sub-passengers-lists-numerous-death-risks-2023-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/read-oceangate-waiver-titan-...
- coldtea 2y ago
  "the passengers were made aware of the risks" From people asking them to sign this who otherwise hand-waived the risks away?
  - criddell 2y ago
    I hadn't heard that before. Did Oceangate lie about or understate the risks?
    - coldtea 2y ago
      It's easy (and legally advised) to have a waiver mentioning all the risks, while also totally downplaying them in your sales pitch and live communications that go on before such a thing gets signed.
      - criddell 2y ago
        Sure, but did they do that? I've seen plenty of reporting about the extensive and blunt waiver but nothing about them misleading passengers or, as you said, hand-waiving the risks away.
        coldtea 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure they did exactly that, seeing the way the owner talked about their "innovations" and blatant disregard for safety. James Cameron also alluded to that.
    - ubermonkey 2y ago
      I mean, did you read the article?
      - coldtea 2y ago
        No, it's under a paywall. But I have read several articles on the story and show a dozen or more videos, so.
        ubermonkey 2y ago
        I was replying to the guy suggesting they were honest about the risks, not you. I think you and I agree.
Covzire 2y ago
Something I learned from this story is that a whistleblower Rush fired who could have prevented Rush from ever taking passengers on his fated dive instead ended up having to pay a $10,000 settlement and sign an NDA. The legal system utterly failed to protect society from a dangerously reckless man.

criddell 2y ago

> I don’t know if other riders were aware of that fact, which should have been communicated to them as a big red alert. As I understand it, the passengers were made aware of the risks. https://www.businessinsider.com/read-oceangate-waiver-titan-sub-passengers-lists-numerous-death-risks-2023-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/read-oceangate-waiver-titan-...

coldtea 2y ago
"the passengers were made aware of the risks" From people asking them to sign this who otherwise hand-waived the risks away?
- criddell 2y ago
  I hadn't heard that before. Did Oceangate lie about or understate the risks?
  - coldtea 2y ago
    It's easy (and legally advised) to have a waiver mentioning all the risks, while also totally downplaying them in your sales pitch and live communications that go on before such a thing gets signed.
    - criddell 2y ago
      Sure, but did they do that? I've seen plenty of reporting about the extensive and blunt waiver but nothing about them misleading passengers or, as you said, hand-waiving the risks away.
      - coldtea 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure they did exactly that, seeing the way the owner talked about their "innovations" and blatant disregard for safety. James Cameron also alluded to that.
  - ubermonkey 2y ago
    I mean, did you read the article?
    - coldtea 2y ago
      No, it's under a paywall. But I have read several articles on the story and show a dozen or more videos, so.
      - ubermonkey 2y ago
        I was replying to the guy suggesting they were honest about the risks, not you. I think you and I agree.

Covzire 2y ago

Something I learned from this story is that a whistleblower Rush fired who could have prevented Rush from ever taking passengers on his fated dive instead ended up having to pay a $10,000 settlement and sign an NDA. The legal system utterly failed to protect society from a dangerously reckless man.