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I created some AI Audios based on ChatGPT/ Suno / Midjourney / Joined via ChatGpt This one even asks the question, in german: "Is this art or can I throw it aw

by franze 2y ago

I created some AI Audios based on ChatGPT/ Suno / Midjourney / Joined via ChatGpt This one even asks the question, in german: "Is this art or can I throw it away?" (DE: Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg?") Can AI music trigger real emotions or are they just artificial emotions? https://www.instagram.com/reel/C79y1Dbst3l/?igsh=bDgzeGMxZTJ5ZXNu https://www.instagram.com/reel/C79y1Dbst3l/?igsh=bDgzeGMxZTJ... (And this one I call "If Poe had had a cat." https://www.instagram.com/reel/C79yC-rsywz/?igsh=MThzbDZvamVrbmIzZQ== https://www.instagram.com/reel/C79yC-rsywz/?igsh=MThzbDZvamV... Title by me, everything else Chatgpt, Suno, Midjourney and ChatGPT again.) So the big question is, can AI generate art? Can AI generate "real" music? Or is all AI music artificial music? Can artificial music create real emotions? I love this topic. So much possibilities to challenge our understanding / appreciation of art and music.

have_faith 2y ago
It seems obvious, at least to me, that AI i.e: code written to output something trained on human input, can make "art". It doesn't seem like a particularly deep or meaningful question. The question for me is whether you choose to attribute any value to it. I can hear a song that AI made and note that it sounds good (although this is rare currently). I have no interest in investing time into it though. I'm interested predominantly in the human experience and what humans express through art. Art created through the push of a button (or prompt) is still art, in the same way that pieces created by Warhol's assistants is still art. It's just indirect. That indirection, which for AI is on the extreme end of indirect, make it a bit of a novelty.
- Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
  > I can hear a song that AI made and note that it sounds good (although this is rare currently). I have no interest in investing time into it though. This argument makes sense to me for e.g. a novel, and is the reason why I wouldn't read an AI-written novel, all else being equal with human-written novels. But much of the music people consume is background music and requires no time investment at all. For example, I play music while I exercise... give me a playlist that sounds good enough and it's upbeat enough, and it will be fine for the task.
justinclift 2y ago
That 2nd one is actually really good. :)
- grantcox 2y ago
  I agree, the rhythm of the rhyming feels great - tight and (dare I say it) artistic. @franze is that something you have control over - is the prompting so detailed / accurate that you can specify that? Or is there some other tool that can adjust an initial revision? Or is it simply a roll of the dice?
  - pcthrowaway 2y ago
    A lot of the credit here is owed to Edgar Allen Poe for writing lyrics that are so damn catchy. But yeah, Suno managed to do a decent job setting it to a poppy beat that is well-suited to the poem
  - franze 2y ago
    A lot goes into the lyrics. And yes, I found using existing (public domain) poems as a basis greatly improves the ChatGPT created lyrics. With suno there is a lot of difference between the models (v3 vs v3.5) and then it is a lot of sometimes pretty random style prompts and a lot and lots roll of dices. It can get quite frustrating, i.e.: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7oeyGzt0jd/ https://www.instagram.com/p/C7oeyGzt0jd/ its unfinished and I like it a lot - but I never got Suno to recreate this exact style again.
    - justinclift 2y ago
      Yeah, that one's all over the place but has some fun, bright spots that are really interesting. Can see why you like it.
justinclift 2y ago
Trying out that Suno thing now. Seems super easy to get workable results. ie: https://suno.com/song/dfaa6a3c-ce91-4b71-a394-5b9232d00dc7 https://suno.com/song/dfaa6a3c-ce91-4b71-a394-5b9232d00dc7 I can see why legit artists are concerned. (!)
- Semaphor 2y ago
  Suno and friends, IMO, make good to acceptable songs. A few times per genre (for those they even can do, growling is still outside their capabilities). But, as with most things AI, it becomes very recognizable and same-y after a short time.
  - justinclift 2y ago
    > it becomes very recognizable and same-y after a short time. Yeah, I'm starting to get that too already. :(
    - franze 2y ago
      v3 gives more variation, v3.5 is all very Taylor Swift style. seems totally overfitted.
      - justinclift 2y ago
        Ahhh. I'll try v3 out tomorrow. Out of free credits for today. :D
- franze 2y ago
  If you wanna merge the audio with some pics to easy shareable videos, you can use this tool: https://image-audio-video-merger.franzai.com/ https://image-audio-video-merger.franzai.com/ coded by ChatGPT of course.
  - justinclift 2y ago
    Awesome! You should add some kind of "automatic import from Suno" for the audio. :)
probably_wrong 2y ago
I know a paper on this topic [1] whose take I really like: that AI generated works only become art through the eye of the artist. In isolation a sunset is physics, photography is chemistry and AI is math. Without the artist there's no real difference between an AI song and playing /dev/random. Only through human interpretation do astronomy, chemistry and math turn into art. [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13678779241252664 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13678779241252664
ojosilva 2y ago
I really love Udio, it works more like a tool for artists to extend, inpaint and modify musical ideas and explore. Compared to Suno it feels less polished but the AI is slightly more "dense" if that means anything anyway...

by franze 2y ago

have_faith 2y ago

It seems obvious, at least to me, that AI i.e: code written to output something trained on human input, can make "art". It doesn't seem like a particularly deep or meaningful question. The question for me is whether you choose to attribute any value to it. I can hear a song that AI made and note that it sounds good (although this is rare currently). I have no interest in investing time into it though. I'm interested predominantly in the human experience and what humans express through art. Art created through the push of a button (or prompt) is still art, in the same way that pieces created by Warhol's assistants is still art. It's just indirect. That indirection, which for AI is on the extreme end of indirect, make it a bit of a novelty.

Al-Khwarizmi 2y ago
> I can hear a song that AI made and note that it sounds good (although this is rare currently). I have no interest in investing time into it though. This argument makes sense to me for e.g. a novel, and is the reason why I wouldn't read an AI-written novel, all else being equal with human-written novels. But much of the music people consume is background music and requires no time investment at all. For example, I play music while I exercise... give me a playlist that sounds good enough and it's upbeat enough, and it will be fine for the task.

justinclift 2y ago

That 2nd one is actually really good. :)

grantcox 2y ago
I agree, the rhythm of the rhyming feels great - tight and (dare I say it) artistic. @franze is that something you have control over - is the prompting so detailed / accurate that you can specify that? Or is there some other tool that can adjust an initial revision? Or is it simply a roll of the dice?
- pcthrowaway 2y ago
  A lot of the credit here is owed to Edgar Allen Poe for writing lyrics that are so damn catchy. But yeah, Suno managed to do a decent job setting it to a poppy beat that is well-suited to the poem
- franze 2y ago
  A lot goes into the lyrics. And yes, I found using existing (public domain) poems as a basis greatly improves the ChatGPT created lyrics. With suno there is a lot of difference between the models (v3 vs v3.5) and then it is a lot of sometimes pretty random style prompts and a lot and lots roll of dices. It can get quite frustrating, i.e.: https://www.instagram.com/p/C7oeyGzt0jd/ https://www.instagram.com/p/C7oeyGzt0jd/ its unfinished and I like it a lot - but I never got Suno to recreate this exact style again.
  - justinclift 2y ago
    Yeah, that one's all over the place but has some fun, bright spots that are really interesting. Can see why you like it.

justinclift 2y ago

Trying out that Suno thing now. Seems super easy to get workable results. ie: https://suno.com/song/dfaa6a3c-ce91-4b71-a394-5b9232d00dc7 https://suno.com/song/dfaa6a3c-ce91-4b71-a394-5b9232d00dc7 I can see why legit artists are concerned. (!)

Semaphor 2y ago
Suno and friends, IMO, make good to acceptable songs. A few times per genre (for those they even can do, growling is still outside their capabilities). But, as with most things AI, it becomes very recognizable and same-y after a short time.
- justinclift 2y ago
  > it becomes very recognizable and same-y after a short time. Yeah, I'm starting to get that too already. :(
  - franze 2y ago
    v3 gives more variation, v3.5 is all very Taylor Swift style. seems totally overfitted.
    - justinclift 2y ago
      Ahhh. I'll try v3 out tomorrow. Out of free credits for today. :D
franze 2y ago
If you wanna merge the audio with some pics to easy shareable videos, you can use this tool: https://image-audio-video-merger.franzai.com/ https://image-audio-video-merger.franzai.com/ coded by ChatGPT of course.
- justinclift 2y ago
  Awesome! You should add some kind of "automatic import from Suno" for the audio. :)

probably_wrong 2y ago

I know a paper on this topic [1] whose take I really like: that AI generated works only become art through the eye of the artist. In isolation a sunset is physics, photography is chemistry and AI is math. Without the artist there's no real difference between an AI song and playing /dev/random. Only through human interpretation do astronomy, chemistry and math turn into art. [1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13678779241252664 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/13678779241252664

ojosilva 2y ago

I really love Udio, it works more like a tool for artists to extend, inpaint and modify musical ideas and explore. Compared to Suno it feels less polished but the AI is slightly more "dense" if that means anything anyway...