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I don't think it makes sense to compare deaths by cars to deaths by dangerous drug addicts for the same reason it doesn't make sense to compare death by cars to

I don't think it makes sense to compare deaths by cars to deaths by dangerous drug addicts for the same reason it doesn't make sense to compare death by cars to death by molestation.

Moldoteck 2y ago
we are talking about dangers for kids. How many kids were killed+mutilated+lifetime injuries by cars vs drug addicts(deaths+other impacts)? I didn't add the consequences from heavy pollution, but you can add them too in the second step if you want
- thepasswordis 2y ago
  Because it’s easy for me to avoid the deaths by cars. If somebody wanted to build a highway directly through my children’s daycare I would think it was just as ridiculous as turning their parks into open air drug markets and homeless shelters.
  - Moldoteck 2y ago
    so you didn't care to provide stats? about 40k ppl are killed by cars per year, about 20k are killed by guns. Among those 40k, about 1200 are kids younger than 14 and about 3k teenagers of age 13-19 (sadly a bit of intersection in stats). Maybe you personally can avoid deaths by cars, but about 40k ppl per year in us alone can't
    - thepasswordis 2y ago
      What is your argument here? We should destroy the parks because cars are also a problem? No. We should make cars safer. We should make guns safer. But not the parks? Those need to be drug dens and open air homeless shelters?
      - Moldoteck 2y ago
        making cars safer means reducing by design speeds to <30km/h in cities + traffic calming infra(speed bumps, bollards, curbs etc), and including pedestrian fatality risk in evaluating car safety so that bigger cars will be deprioritized
- pedroma 2y ago
  My point is it's not useful to compare metrics of these unrelated things, where one is deadly and the other is simply undesirable but non-deadly. Because then someone with bad intentions can make the argument, like "wow drug addicts and molesters aren't so bad! the numbers of deaths are so low compared to cars so we should focus on fixing cars instead of drug addicts and molesters!". The issue with things like drug addicts and molestation aren't death but exposure to them is still mentally and physically harmful to kids.

I don't think it makes sense to compare deaths by cars to deaths by dangerous drug addicts for the same reason it doesn't make sense to compare death by cars to death by molestation.

Moldoteck 2y ago

we are talking about dangers for kids. How many kids were killed+mutilated+lifetime injuries by cars vs drug addicts(deaths+other impacts)? I didn't add the consequences from heavy pollution, but you can add them too in the second step if you want

thepasswordis 2y ago
Because it’s easy for me to avoid the deaths by cars. If somebody wanted to build a highway directly through my children’s daycare I would think it was just as ridiculous as turning their parks into open air drug markets and homeless shelters.
- Moldoteck 2y ago
  so you didn't care to provide stats? about 40k ppl are killed by cars per year, about 20k are killed by guns. Among those 40k, about 1200 are kids younger than 14 and about 3k teenagers of age 13-19 (sadly a bit of intersection in stats). Maybe you personally can avoid deaths by cars, but about 40k ppl per year in us alone can't
  - thepasswordis 2y ago
    What is your argument here? We should destroy the parks because cars are also a problem? No. We should make cars safer. We should make guns safer. But not the parks? Those need to be drug dens and open air homeless shelters?
    - Moldoteck 2y ago
      making cars safer means reducing by design speeds to <30km/h in cities + traffic calming infra(speed bumps, bollards, curbs etc), and including pedestrian fatality risk in evaluating car safety so that bigger cars will be deprioritized
pedroma 2y ago
My point is it's not useful to compare metrics of these unrelated things, where one is deadly and the other is simply undesirable but non-deadly. Because then someone with bad intentions can make the argument, like "wow drug addicts and molesters aren't so bad! the numbers of deaths are so low compared to cars so we should focus on fixing cars instead of drug addicts and molesters!". The issue with things like drug addicts and molestation aren't death but exposure to them is still mentally and physically harmful to kids.