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>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9

>After which they could run Linux, instead of being e-waste. There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years 7-9 hit and you are complaining about a device that is not even designed to be used in a server/desktop OS configuration? >iPadOS 18 did get a calculator. This really does explain it all...Just pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple.

walterbell 2y ago
> pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.
- nebula8804 2y ago
  Then you are missing out on all the cool additions that Apple introduced today. Things that are really tailored for the iPad.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Could you recommend an article or Apple web page listing those additions? Or name some here? Mark Gurman, long-time Apple journalist, didn't find any iPad-specific features, beyond AI/LLM features coming to all Apple platforms. Here's another article that lists "everything" announced at WWDC, which doesn't list any new iPad features, other than AI/LLM, https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/10/everything-apple-announced-wwdc-2024/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/10/everything-apple-announced...
    - nebula8804 2y ago
      Just watch the darn video from this morning, its only 7 minutes long and you are using a device that is tailored for this very use case ha ha https://youtu.be/RXeOiIDNNek?t=2584 https://youtu.be/RXeOiIDNNek?t=2584 FYI they even purposely made fun of themselves regarding the calculator app.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        Just watched. The announcements were: iOS: customize home screen + control center apps: floating tab bar menus apple apps: animations + doc browser screen sharing: pencil annotations calculator: math notes + brett victor animations apple notes: handwriting digital twin Cute features, sadly of low benefit to work use cases. High value would be a VM and CLI terminal to run a web server stack for offline dev, maintenance or publishing tasks in time and space constrained contexts where Macbook would be inconvenient. Macbook is good for hours of dedicated work, iPad for quick tasks.
justinclift 2y ago
> There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years ... So you're saying people should just accept their old iPads can't have a meaningful life after iPadOS support ends? And that's because "Apple doesn't want them to", so that's it. No questions asked, just accept the results?
- nebula8804 2y ago
  What are you talking about? Its not like the iPad shuts off as soon as year 9 rolls around. The iPad still runs and can be used for many more years.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Apps aren't updated. Web browsing is unsafe.
    - nebula8804 2y ago
      In your other comment you laid out potential uses for a "unlocked" ipad web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk The bottom 5 don't really need updates and if Android tablets are anything to go by (looking at you Nexus 10) arguably will work better running on top Apple software instead of whatever half baked garbage gets dumped out of the major distros or "custom rom" makers. For web browsing, a nine year old tablet will arguably be slow as molasses for the content that would be on the web nine years from now. We have seen this with using old desktop computers to browse the web. Your argument is pretty weak. There is a whole lot of work to make this happen among not only Apple but the OSS community for almost no gain. The community's time time would be better spent getting fundamentals of Linux Desktop working well so that maybe one day in our lives it really will be the Year of the Linux Desktop™.
      - walterbell 2y ago
        > The bottom 5 don't really need updates Anything connected to a network requires security updates. The bottom five require network connectivity. > Slow as molasses for the content An old tablet isn't suitable for general Javascript-impaired web browsing, but there is a wide world of static online/offline content accessible to slow web browsers, as well as bespoke static content delivered via HTTP. > Whole lot of work.. for almost no gain The heavy lifting work is in device enablement, but that's a one time cost. Applications exist, work on other devices and are already maintained. Linux iPads would only expand the userbase for those applications.

walterbell 2y ago

> pure ignorance based on hatred of Apple I'm typing this on iPad Air and looking at an iPad Pro, Mac Mini and Macbook Air.

nebula8804 2y ago
Then you are missing out on all the cool additions that Apple introduced today. Things that are really tailored for the iPad.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Could you recommend an article or Apple web page listing those additions? Or name some here? Mark Gurman, long-time Apple journalist, didn't find any iPad-specific features, beyond AI/LLM features coming to all Apple platforms. Here's another article that lists "everything" announced at WWDC, which doesn't list any new iPad features, other than AI/LLM, https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/10/everything-apple-announced-wwdc-2024/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/10/everything-apple-announced...
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    Just watch the darn video from this morning, its only 7 minutes long and you are using a device that is tailored for this very use case ha ha https://youtu.be/RXeOiIDNNek?t=2584 https://youtu.be/RXeOiIDNNek?t=2584 FYI they even purposely made fun of themselves regarding the calculator app.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      Just watched. The announcements were: iOS: customize home screen + control center apps: floating tab bar menus apple apps: animations + doc browser screen sharing: pencil annotations calculator: math notes + brett victor animations apple notes: handwriting digital twin Cute features, sadly of low benefit to work use cases. High value would be a VM and CLI terminal to run a web server stack for offline dev, maintenance or publishing tasks in time and space constrained contexts where Macbook would be inconvenient. Macbook is good for hours of dedicated work, iPad for quick tasks.

justinclift 2y ago

> There is so much PC based garbage that ends up in the eWaste trash destroyed way before years ... So you're saying people should just accept their old iPads can't have a meaningful life after iPadOS support ends? And that's because "Apple doesn't want them to", so that's it. No questions asked, just accept the results?

nebula8804 2y ago
What are you talking about? Its not like the iPad shuts off as soon as year 9 rolls around. The iPad still runs and can be used for many more years.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Apps aren't updated. Web browsing is unsafe.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    In your other comment you laid out potential uses for a "unlocked" ipad web browser IoT control panel video conferencing photo frame e-reader kiosk The bottom 5 don't really need updates and if Android tablets are anything to go by (looking at you Nexus 10) arguably will work better running on top Apple software instead of whatever half baked garbage gets dumped out of the major distros or "custom rom" makers. For web browsing, a nine year old tablet will arguably be slow as molasses for the content that would be on the web nine years from now. We have seen this with using old desktop computers to browse the web. Your argument is pretty weak. There is a whole lot of work to make this happen among not only Apple but the OSS community for almost no gain. The community's time time would be better spent getting fundamentals of Linux Desktop working well so that maybe one day in our lives it really will be the Year of the Linux Desktop™.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      > The bottom 5 don't really need updates Anything connected to a network requires security updates. The bottom five require network connectivity. > Slow as molasses for the content An old tablet isn't suitable for general Javascript-impaired web browsing, but there is a wide world of static online/offline content accessible to slow web browsers, as well as bespoke static content delivered via HTTP. > Whole lot of work.. for almost no gain The heavy lifting work is in device enablement, but that's a one time cost. Applications exist, work on other devices and are already maintained. Linux iPads would only expand the userbase for those applications.