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As a consumer I really cannot be made to care why it's the case. This artificial price tiering is stupid and everyone has been calling it a scam for years. Appl

As a consumer I really cannot be made to care why it's the case. This artificial price tiering is stupid and everyone has been calling it a scam for years. Apple clearly knows they're in the wrong, but continues because they know nobody can stop them.

pjmlp 2y ago
Yes they can, buy something else.
- talldayo 2y ago
  I've been doing that for six fucking years and not a single thing has changed. The base memory and storage has not changed in that time. During that same amount of time: - Macs transitioned to Apple Silicon, got rid of dGPU memory - Baseline Macbook Air models increased in price by $100 - AI became a realistic and usable technology - Gaming is slightly feasible with GPTK Of course we shouldn't be starting at 8 gigs of memory. This is highway robbery and the only thing you can say in defense is "buy something else then"
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    When I know I will get robbed in the highway, I take another safer road instead, instead of playing lucky and complaining afterwards.
andruby 2y ago
From a business perspective it's not _stupid_. It sucks for us customers, but it's "smart" from a business point of view. Until they get serious competition, I doubt they'll change their practices. And while I hate the overpriced memory upgrades, I still prefer paying extra, rather than Apple switching to a Ad-based business model like Google (and potentially OpenAI in the future)
- talldayo 2y ago
  > From a business perspective it's not _stupid_. It sucks for us customers, but it's "smart" from a business point of view. Well, I'm not a business. I appreciate smart consumer choices and I applaud any company that doesn't have to be forced into doing the right thing. > I still prefer paying extra, rather than Apple switching to a Ad-based business model like Google (and potentially OpenAI in the future) Oh you sweet summer child. You think Apple doesn't also have an ad-based business model on top of that? I switched to Linux after MacOS Mojave, and I do not miss any of this brouhaha one bit. It's almost rich hearing people talk about how few ads MacOS has, when it's constantly begging you to try or pay for Apple software services. Even Android isn't as ad-ridden as MacOS, the only victory Apple can claim is relative to Windows (which is a grim reflection of MacOS's eventual service-dominated fate). You should try out Linux, though. It's a culture shock, trying to get work done with no inbuilt advertisement whatsoever. I could never go back to Mac or Windows and be this productive.
  - scottyah 2y ago
    Business and consumers both benefit from not using a cost-plus pricing model in a marketspace heavily dependent on R&D. Sure, the profit margins are hard to agree upon since it's an infinite scale and they change heavily day to day, but do not trust anyone who thinks all product pricings should be based solely on cost of materials.

pjmlp 2y ago

Yes they can, buy something else.

talldayo 2y ago
I've been doing that for six fucking years and not a single thing has changed. The base memory and storage has not changed in that time. During that same amount of time: - Macs transitioned to Apple Silicon, got rid of dGPU memory - Baseline Macbook Air models increased in price by $100 - AI became a realistic and usable technology - Gaming is slightly feasible with GPTK Of course we shouldn't be starting at 8 gigs of memory. This is highway robbery and the only thing you can say in defense is "buy something else then"
- pjmlp 2y ago
  When I know I will get robbed in the highway, I take another safer road instead, instead of playing lucky and complaining afterwards.

andruby 2y ago

From a business perspective it's not _stupid_. It sucks for us customers, but it's "smart" from a business point of view. Until they get serious competition, I doubt they'll change their practices. And while I hate the overpriced memory upgrades, I still prefer paying extra, rather than Apple switching to a Ad-based business model like Google (and potentially OpenAI in the future)

talldayo 2y ago
> From a business perspective it's not _stupid_. It sucks for us customers, but it's "smart" from a business point of view. Well, I'm not a business. I appreciate smart consumer choices and I applaud any company that doesn't have to be forced into doing the right thing. > I still prefer paying extra, rather than Apple switching to a Ad-based business model like Google (and potentially OpenAI in the future) Oh you sweet summer child. You think Apple doesn't also have an ad-based business model on top of that? I switched to Linux after MacOS Mojave, and I do not miss any of this brouhaha one bit. It's almost rich hearing people talk about how few ads MacOS has, when it's constantly begging you to try or pay for Apple software services. Even Android isn't as ad-ridden as MacOS, the only victory Apple can claim is relative to Windows (which is a grim reflection of MacOS's eventual service-dominated fate). You should try out Linux, though. It's a culture shock, trying to get work done with no inbuilt advertisement whatsoever. I could never go back to Mac or Windows and be this productive.
- scottyah 2y ago
  Business and consumers both benefit from not using a cost-plus pricing model in a marketspace heavily dependent on R&D. Sure, the profit margins are hard to agree upon since it's an infinite scale and they change heavily day to day, but do not trust anyone who thinks all product pricings should be based solely on cost of materials.