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Genuinely, what is the imagined use case for this?

renewiltord 2y ago
High quality stereoscopic content. During the pandemic, I had my Oculus Quest with a Woojer Edge and watched a music festival 360 video. It was amazing. Full spectrum rush.
upon_drumhead 2y ago
Apple TV+ content like Adventure [1] is really compelling as the next generation evolution of video media. The highlining episode is very impressive. Close up views of Faith's face and eyes and expansive views of the mountains and rivers, it really needs to be seen to understand. I really look forward to new content shot with this. [1] https://tv.apple.com/us/show/adventure/umc.cmc.5al10vz5fkqzxonreq110ony0 https://tv.apple.com/us/show/adventure/umc.cmc.5al10vz5fkqzx...
bigyikes 2y ago
Have you tried a Vision Pro? The immersive video was the highlight for me. It makes you feel like you’re really there, on a level I hadn’t experienced with a Quest.
- baby 2y ago
  Really? I had better immersion with the first Quest
- al_borland 2y ago
  Same here. I did the in-store demo and I wish the whole demo was just the immersive videos. The Alicia Keys one was first and my first instinct was to move back a bit, because she was so close, but I didn't, because I was on a stool and probably would have fallen. She was in my personal space, it felt almost uncomfortably intimate, like someone was right there. Then there were the flying ones, and I had that feeling I get in my stomach when on a roller coaster or zip line. I didn't expect that at all. I could have spent hours watching that stuff. I loved it. If they had a bigger library of immersive videos with regular releases, I'd probably get a Vision Pro just for that. The windowed stuff was fine, but the full immersion is what I'm after.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    I remember the same experience watching a 3D video of Bjork on YouTube, back when 3D video was the big new thing that would take over the world (amazingly, YouTube still supports the UI to turn the video around). It was very cute and interesting, and novel, but like all novelties, it wore off quickly.
    - al_borland 2y ago
      You could be right. I think the novelty wears off, in part, because there is too much friction relative to the benefit. I’ve used YouTube with a phone headset. It’s cool, but kind of annoying. The Vision Pro was also kind of annoying to put on and set up. And with both, the content is limited. So how much annoyance is someone willing to put up with for something that doesn’t has much content and only provides are marginally better viewing experience? Televisions, computers, and phones, have very little friction and more content than a person could consume in 100 lifetimes. This makes the simple screen hard to beat. I’m also remind of something I heard a film director say when being critical of the 3D movie fad… all movies are already 3D. There is depth in the shots when looking into the screen, no one really needs stuff flying out at them.
      - fl0ki 2y ago
        I see it the same way I see surround/spatial audio and HDR on an OLED. Most people won't get much out of it, but those that do notice will tend to prefer the option when available, even at substantial cost.
        al_borland 2y ago
        I think that's a little different. With spatial audio or OLED, it's a one time up front cost to get the better hardware, but turning on an OLED iPad or TV is no different than turning on an LCD. By contrast, Vision Pro requires extra work every single time it's used. I'm much more willing to pay a little extra or do a one time setup than I am to do extra work every time I want to do something. Going for a walk in a nice park is a better experience than walking around the block, but if I only ever walked after going through the trouble of driving to a nice park, I'd almost never walk. That's more like VR to me. Even if the cost is removed from the equation, it creates enough friction that using it becomes an event, not an everyday default, even if it's preferred.
rlt 2y ago
I can think of at least one: porn.
- al_borland 2y ago
  Except Apple won't allow it, though I'm sure people will try to flit with that line with things like music videos.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    Sure… they’re going to ban one of the killer applications for their expensive gadget. Same as they won’t allow pron in Safari?
    - al_borland 2y ago
      Porn has always been banned from the App Store. Jobs specially said it years ago. The browser has been the one way to access it, which limits what can be done.
  - hobs 2y ago
    I definitely read an article on 404 media about Apple Vision VR Porn - they are just recording it with their own headsets.
    - _ph_ 2y ago
      And Canon just announced a 3D lens for taking video for the VP :)
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    You don't need a porn-specific app, just a general VR video viewer that can load video files. For PCVR users, that's likely going to be DeoVR. SteamVR has a built-in media player, but DeoVR is far better. More flexible, lets you move the video around, etc. Like, one of the big things for me when doing VR porn is that the camera tilt needs to match my head tilt, or else I get motion sick. So if the camera is pointed down 45 degrees, then by default, that means if my head is pointed straight forward, my view is actually looking down 45 degrees, and I get sick. DeoVR lets me move the video down, so that looking downwards makes me look at the center of the video.

High quality stereoscopic content. During the pandemic, I had my Oculus Quest with a Woojer Edge and watched a music festival 360 video. It was amazing. Full spectrum rush.

upon_drumhead 2y ago

Apple TV+ content like Adventure [1] is really compelling as the next generation evolution of video media. The highlining episode is very impressive. Close up views of Faith's face and eyes and expansive views of the mountains and rivers, it really needs to be seen to understand. I really look forward to new content shot with this. [1] https://tv.apple.com/us/show/adventure/umc.cmc.5al10vz5fkqzxonreq110ony0 https://tv.apple.com/us/show/adventure/umc.cmc.5al10vz5fkqzx...

bigyikes 2y ago

Have you tried a Vision Pro? The immersive video was the highlight for me. It makes you feel like you’re really there, on a level I hadn’t experienced with a Quest.

baby 2y ago
Really? I had better immersion with the first Quest
al_borland 2y ago
Same here. I did the in-store demo and I wish the whole demo was just the immersive videos. The Alicia Keys one was first and my first instinct was to move back a bit, because she was so close, but I didn't, because I was on a stool and probably would have fallen. She was in my personal space, it felt almost uncomfortably intimate, like someone was right there. Then there were the flying ones, and I had that feeling I get in my stomach when on a roller coaster or zip line. I didn't expect that at all. I could have spent hours watching that stuff. I loved it. If they had a bigger library of immersive videos with regular releases, I'd probably get a Vision Pro just for that. The windowed stuff was fine, but the full immersion is what I'm after.
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  I remember the same experience watching a 3D video of Bjork on YouTube, back when 3D video was the big new thing that would take over the world (amazingly, YouTube still supports the UI to turn the video around). It was very cute and interesting, and novel, but like all novelties, it wore off quickly.
  - al_borland 2y ago
    You could be right. I think the novelty wears off, in part, because there is too much friction relative to the benefit. I’ve used YouTube with a phone headset. It’s cool, but kind of annoying. The Vision Pro was also kind of annoying to put on and set up. And with both, the content is limited. So how much annoyance is someone willing to put up with for something that doesn’t has much content and only provides are marginally better viewing experience? Televisions, computers, and phones, have very little friction and more content than a person could consume in 100 lifetimes. This makes the simple screen hard to beat. I’m also remind of something I heard a film director say when being critical of the 3D movie fad… all movies are already 3D. There is depth in the shots when looking into the screen, no one really needs stuff flying out at them.
    - fl0ki 2y ago
      I see it the same way I see surround/spatial audio and HDR on an OLED. Most people won't get much out of it, but those that do notice will tend to prefer the option when available, even at substantial cost.
      - al_borland 2y ago
        I think that's a little different. With spatial audio or OLED, it's a one time up front cost to get the better hardware, but turning on an OLED iPad or TV is no different than turning on an LCD. By contrast, Vision Pro requires extra work every single time it's used. I'm much more willing to pay a little extra or do a one time setup than I am to do extra work every time I want to do something. Going for a walk in a nice park is a better experience than walking around the block, but if I only ever walked after going through the trouble of driving to a nice park, I'd almost never walk. That's more like VR to me. Even if the cost is removed from the equation, it creates enough friction that using it becomes an event, not an everyday default, even if it's preferred.

rlt 2y ago

I can think of at least one: porn.

al_borland 2y ago
Except Apple won't allow it, though I'm sure people will try to flit with that line with things like music videos.
- gizajob 2y ago
  Sure… they’re going to ban one of the killer applications for their expensive gadget. Same as they won’t allow pron in Safari?
  - al_borland 2y ago
    Porn has always been banned from the App Store. Jobs specially said it years ago. The browser has been the one way to access it, which limits what can be done.
- hobs 2y ago
  I definitely read an article on 404 media about Apple Vision VR Porn - they are just recording it with their own headsets.
  - _ph_ 2y ago
    And Canon just announced a 3D lens for taking video for the VP :)
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  You don't need a porn-specific app, just a general VR video viewer that can load video files. For PCVR users, that's likely going to be DeoVR. SteamVR has a built-in media player, but DeoVR is far better. More flexible, lets you move the video around, etc. Like, one of the big things for me when doing VR porn is that the camera tilt needs to match my head tilt, or else I get motion sick. So if the camera is pointed down 45 degrees, then by default, that means if my head is pointed straight forward, my view is actually looking down 45 degrees, and I get sick. DeoVR lets me move the video down, so that looking downwards makes me look at the center of the video.