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> Not necessarily because of cars but significant crime. I love these HN comments -- so incredibly vague. Can you be more specific about which cities? I find

by throwaway2037 2y ago

> Not necessarily because of cars but significant crime. I love these HN comments -- so incredibly vague. Can you be more specific about which cities? I find it hard to believe. Crime has fallen like a stone in the last 30 years in highly developed countries and their biggest cities.

vidarh 2y ago
There is however an impression in fairly substantial parts of society that it's gotten worse, and that impression might well have a greater effect than the actual rate on some people's behaviours.
- newswasboring 2y ago
  Can you find a source for this claim for European countries? I personally can't but maybe my scholar foo is bad.
  - vidarh 2y ago
    For which claim? That people have an impression that things have gotten worse? You look at our recent European elections and how much of the campaigning was on law and order and the perception of the collapse of society.
    - newswasboring 2y ago
      Now you are moving the goal post. And if you ask me, those are just masks for inner racism about immigrants stealing their jerbs. I live in Europe and I don't see this being a big consideration. So if I'm not hearing it from my fellows then I would need at least a survey to believe this. I've seen those surveys for US.
      - vidarh 2y ago
        No, I have not moved any goalposts. I explicitly made the point that the impression is common, despite the actual numbers not supporting it. That was the entire point of my comment. I don't know what you thought you read. And I agree it's usually about racism. If you live in Europe, just look at the EU Parliament elections and see how the far right did. Or follow the political discourse in pretty much any European country. If you're not hearing it, your not paying attention to pretty much any political reporting.
        newswasboring 2y ago
        If it's so common you could have linked to one report rather than write this mini essay
        vidarh 2y ago
        If you claim not to have encountered it despite its prevalence, nothing will convince you. Especially as you already demonstrated your willingness to misinterpret what I claimed in the first place.
        newswasboring 2y ago
        Bro nobody is misunderstanding you. Here, this is the data about perception published for the US[1]. Now you do Europe. You're being incredibly rude here, I never said you claimed anything about actual statistics. Perception can be measured, there are companies out there who do this. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/sr_24-04-23_crime_4/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...
throwaway7ahgb 2y ago
Wait, the OP starts out with an even more vague claim and then a counter-point gets jumped on? "Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk" This is the top rated comment here, the line by itself is about as ridiculous as any other. Every kid in Europe is allowed to walk to school? How is this any different that than the US?

vidarh 2y ago

There is however an impression in fairly substantial parts of society that it's gotten worse, and that impression might well have a greater effect than the actual rate on some people's behaviours.

newswasboring 2y ago
Can you find a source for this claim for European countries? I personally can't but maybe my scholar foo is bad.
- vidarh 2y ago
  For which claim? That people have an impression that things have gotten worse? You look at our recent European elections and how much of the campaigning was on law and order and the perception of the collapse of society.
  - newswasboring 2y ago
    Now you are moving the goal post. And if you ask me, those are just masks for inner racism about immigrants stealing their jerbs. I live in Europe and I don't see this being a big consideration. So if I'm not hearing it from my fellows then I would need at least a survey to believe this. I've seen those surveys for US.
    - vidarh 2y ago
      No, I have not moved any goalposts. I explicitly made the point that the impression is common, despite the actual numbers not supporting it. That was the entire point of my comment. I don't know what you thought you read. And I agree it's usually about racism. If you live in Europe, just look at the EU Parliament elections and see how the far right did. Or follow the political discourse in pretty much any European country. If you're not hearing it, your not paying attention to pretty much any political reporting.
      - newswasboring 2y ago
        If it's so common you could have linked to one report rather than write this mini essay
        vidarh 2y ago
        If you claim not to have encountered it despite its prevalence, nothing will convince you. Especially as you already demonstrated your willingness to misinterpret what I claimed in the first place.
        newswasboring 2y ago
        Bro nobody is misunderstanding you. Here, this is the data about perception published for the US[1]. Now you do Europe. You're being incredibly rude here, I never said you claimed anything about actual statistics. Perception can be measured, there are companies out there who do this. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/sr_24-04-23_crime_4/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...

throwaway7ahgb 2y ago

Wait, the OP starts out with an even more vague claim and then a counter-point gets jumped on? "Don't believe me go to Europe and Japan where kids are still allowed to walk" This is the top rated comment here, the line by itself is about as ridiculous as any other. Every kid in Europe is allowed to walk to school? How is this any different that than the US?