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Are you saying that accounts should match one-to-one to GPUs, and that two instances of the game can't run on the same machine at once? These assumptions are un

Are you saying that accounts should match one-to-one to GPUs, and that two instances of the game can't run on the same machine at once? These assumptions are unrealistic: what if I upgrade my graphics card? What if my friend wants to play too, and remotes into my machine to do so? And I don't understand which cheating behaviours this restriction is supposed to prevent.

Joel_Mckay 2y ago
No, there should only be 1 GPU with a specific signature active at any given time. If multiple user accounts are tainted by the same flagged signatures, than you risk getting everyone on that hardware banned. It is usually clearly stated in the EULA expected fair play section, and it is at the admins discretion... Buy that used cheap rtx3090 at your own risk... ;) "two instances of the game can't run on the same machine at once?" In general, most performance heavy platforms are not going to support multi-account mode anyways. "what if I upgrade my graphics card?" Your associated hardware signature would simply be updated upon login. However, accounts associated with flagged signatures often remain inactive to block logins/new-account-registration/store-access. "What if my friend wants to play too, and remotes into my machine to do so?" Depends how the admins enforce the signature collision events. In most cases, all users will get a 1 week ban, and a warning a 1 year ban will follow. Again, the admins usually have discretion about believing users stories... "And I don't understand which cheating behaviours this restriction is supposed to prevent" It helps prevent persistent cheats returning their hardware purchases, re-registering, and continuing to annoy other players. This is a very common practice on Desktops, but rare on console games for obvious reasons. =3
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > Buy that used cheap rtx3090 at your own risk... ;) Which is why this is completely unreasonable.
  - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    The admin process differs between companies. Usually if you can verify you are a different person living at a different address, than IT support might remove the flagged signature with proof of sale. I wouldn't count on the admins mercy though, as cheats will often set up shilling-circles or cloud-instances to try to get around bans. I think 2 strikes is quite reasonable to remove people breaking the game for other users. And I only know of 1 company that bans the hardware signatures on all of their game titles at once. The probability one will experience problems before a legitimate purchase return window period expires is very low. Have a wonderful day, and maybe try a card game like MTG. =3
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > The admin process differs between companies. Usually if you can verify you are a different person living at a different address, than IT support might remove the flagged signature with proof of sale. I wouldn't count on the admins mercy though, as cheats will often set up shilling-circles or cloud-instances to try to get around bans. I'm glad we agree that this is unreliable and therefore not a defense of the approach. > The probability one will experience problems before a legitimate purchase return window period expires is very low. Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned. What refund am I asking for that makes this okay? > Have a wonderful day, and maybe try a card game like MTG. =3 This reads as condescending. If you don't mean it that way, then you should consider a different way to try and be friendly lest it undermine your argument. If you do mean it that way, please stop being rude.
      - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
        "Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned." One would have to prove they are a different person/account-location to IT admin support. It is rare, but some companies will simply watch your game-play for a bit to see what you are up to compared to the prior ban details. Note one will likely have to gamble on the compassion of each firms IT admins. "What refund am I asking for that makes this okay?" These sellers are almost always knowingly trying to evade the consequences of their behavior, and trying to recoup their money to buy un-flagged hardware. This is pointless, as there are several anti-cheat queries companies can run, and like any antisocial behavior they usually just make the situation worse for themselves by contaminating the market with more flagged hardware. Eventually their sellers reputation score will warn buyers what they are doing. Getting a refund for the "broken" equipment is a standard ebay RMA process, and Craigslist/meta-Marketplace returns can be a bit more complex. Keep in mind a ban may eventually lift after 12 months, but IT admins may be less convinced of your intent if a user keeps popping up as a problem. "This reads as condescending" It is not my call what companies do with problematic users. And MTG events also bans cheats for marked decks, and pulling unfair tricks that violate the rules. The difference is people will be upset with such antics at the same table. Personally I prefer the Royal Game of Ur over tea, and am always keen to share a good laugh with folks interested in such classics. if one chooses to be miserable/upset, than that is their right too... But it doesn't sound like much fun. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I

Joel_Mckay 2y ago

No, there should only be 1 GPU with a specific signature active at any given time. If multiple user accounts are tainted by the same flagged signatures, than you risk getting everyone on that hardware banned. It is usually clearly stated in the EULA expected fair play section, and it is at the admins discretion... Buy that used cheap rtx3090 at your own risk... ;) "two instances of the game can't run on the same machine at once?" In general, most performance heavy platforms are not going to support multi-account mode anyways. "what if I upgrade my graphics card?" Your associated hardware signature would simply be updated upon login. However, accounts associated with flagged signatures often remain inactive to block logins/new-account-registration/store-access. "What if my friend wants to play too, and remotes into my machine to do so?" Depends how the admins enforce the signature collision events. In most cases, all users will get a 1 week ban, and a warning a 1 year ban will follow. Again, the admins usually have discretion about believing users stories... "And I don't understand which cheating behaviours this restriction is supposed to prevent" It helps prevent persistent cheats returning their hardware purchases, re-registering, and continuing to annoy other players. This is a very common practice on Desktops, but rare on console games for obvious reasons. =3

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> Buy that used cheap rtx3090 at your own risk... ;) Which is why this is completely unreasonable.
- Joel_Mckay 2y ago
  The admin process differs between companies. Usually if you can verify you are a different person living at a different address, than IT support might remove the flagged signature with proof of sale. I wouldn't count on the admins mercy though, as cheats will often set up shilling-circles or cloud-instances to try to get around bans. I think 2 strikes is quite reasonable to remove people breaking the game for other users. And I only know of 1 company that bans the hardware signatures on all of their game titles at once. The probability one will experience problems before a legitimate purchase return window period expires is very low. Have a wonderful day, and maybe try a card game like MTG. =3
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    > The admin process differs between companies. Usually if you can verify you are a different person living at a different address, than IT support might remove the flagged signature with proof of sale. I wouldn't count on the admins mercy though, as cheats will often set up shilling-circles or cloud-instances to try to get around bans. I'm glad we agree that this is unreliable and therefore not a defense of the approach. > The probability one will experience problems before a legitimate purchase return window period expires is very low. Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned. What refund am I asking for that makes this okay? > Have a wonderful day, and maybe try a card game like MTG. =3 This reads as condescending. If you don't mean it that way, then you should consider a different way to try and be friendly lest it undermine your argument. If you do mean it that way, please stop being rude.
    - Joel_Mckay 2y ago
      "Okay, so I buy a card I can actually afford on eBay, put it in my machine, buy a game, and get my account permabanned." One would have to prove they are a different person/account-location to IT admin support. It is rare, but some companies will simply watch your game-play for a bit to see what you are up to compared to the prior ban details. Note one will likely have to gamble on the compassion of each firms IT admins. "What refund am I asking for that makes this okay?" These sellers are almost always knowingly trying to evade the consequences of their behavior, and trying to recoup their money to buy un-flagged hardware. This is pointless, as there are several anti-cheat queries companies can run, and like any antisocial behavior they usually just make the situation worse for themselves by contaminating the market with more flagged hardware. Eventually their sellers reputation score will warn buyers what they are doing. Getting a refund for the "broken" equipment is a standard ebay RMA process, and Craigslist/meta-Marketplace returns can be a bit more complex. Keep in mind a ban may eventually lift after 12 months, but IT admins may be less convinced of your intent if a user keeps popping up as a problem. "This reads as condescending" It is not my call what companies do with problematic users. And MTG events also bans cheats for marked decks, and pulling unfair tricks that violate the rules. The difference is people will be upset with such antics at the same table. Personally I prefer the Royal Game of Ur over tea, and am always keen to share a good laugh with folks interested in such classics. if one chooses to be miserable/upset, than that is their right too... But it doesn't sound like much fun. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZskjLq040I