> I don't get the point of this semantic distinction between the people producing (bad) designs and the ivory tower label you're calling "designers". If they're

> I don't get the point of this semantic distinction between the people producing (bad) designs and the ivory tower label you're calling "designers". If they're producing designs, are they not designers too? Is everybody that has written code a software developer? >If none of the people with the title "designer" are meaningfully impacting products, who's employing them and why do they not have the same obligation other technical experts have of ensuring that meddling managers are steered in the direction of correct decisions? As I said, you use so many interfaces every day that are so well designed you don't even notice them. That's good interface design, and executing it takes years of learning and practice. The developers that think their interface design skills are objectively good because of what they've gleaned from working with designs, and knowing how they're implemented are like the designers that call themselves web developers because they cargo-cult copy and paste code from tutorials into WordPress plugins. Their end goals are largely the same, but to equate them is pretty ridiculous.