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So - “luxury vinyl flooring” is loaded with this crap in China. Basically if they omit it, the flooring becomes too brittle and breaks, the amount of phthalates

So - “luxury vinyl flooring” is loaded with this crap in China. Basically if they omit it, the flooring becomes too brittle and breaks, the amount of phthalates they need to add to it so it doesn’t break is so much that it will off-gas 3-5 % of volume of the flooring within a year . This is displayed as gapping between the vinyl planks - or looks like “shrinking” … lots of people walk barefoot in the home or a hotel , and even if you don’t , friction from footwear will make this crap airborne. We just got scotchguard out of carpet, and now we have an explosion of this plasticizer in our homes. If you have a baby crawling around and you have a vinyl plank floor - take my advice and change it immediately.

486sx33 2y ago
I get downvoted A LOT for my comments that are anti-China and that China should be forced to take back and recycle all the plastic waste it dumps on North America. PVC flooring is top of the list in toxic waste they are dumping on us. Phthalates in food packaging is a problem but it is “chicken feed” compared to the wider pvc industry. I realize that everyone might think I’m a nut or racist or something when they downvote me. I’m totally accepting of that. Just take a minute and consider that - perhaps I am part of that same industry and have seen this junk in China and know the ins and outs of distribution. Maybe I do maybe I don’t But if you have small children crawling on a pvc floor - take action - please.
- jononor 2y ago
  Maybe you should focus less on China and more on the issue at hand? The PVC flooring would be a problem regardless of where it comes from... I do not quite the framing that they are dumping it on you. Surely there are American companies that are importing this to the US? And American companies that are selling it to builders and consumers? Are those entities free of responsibility?
spacephysics 2y ago
Whats a good replacement for this? Hardwood floors i imagine are best, but tend to be expensive.
- ericd 2y ago
  There’s always the possibility of making smaller houses with higher quality materials. Or idk, tile? Linoleum?
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    Is linoleum any better? Also, tile has a substantially worse under-foot feel for certain areas than a hardwood or hardwood-like substance. Too hard and too cold.
    - ericd 2y ago
      "Linoleum is a floor covering made from materials such as solidified linseed oil (linoxyn), pine resin, ground cork dust, sawdust, and mineral fillers such as calcium carbonate, most commonly on a burlap or canvas backing." Not sure if there's anything that's been shown to be a problem in there, but it doesn't seem to involve any pthalates. But yeah, I'd personally just go with a smaller house with hardwood, rather than a larger one made of crap like vinyl planking (and that's what we did, in practice).
      - scubadude 2y ago
        Lino is an example of a great technology that we had to "improve" (make cheaper) and replace with godawful plastic.
        ericd 2y ago
        Funny, because iirc it already had the reputation as the cheap option.
        leobg 2y ago
        Yeah. Also, drinking straws. straw > plastic > PFAS coated paper
- Dig1t 2y ago
  Bamboo is excellent, they can make it look like other types of wood, it’s pretty affordable, and it’s environmentally friendly. Another option is cork.
CrHn3 2y ago
What about vinyl flooring like Duralux that is Greenguard Gold certified for low emissions and free of ortho-phthalate plasticizers?
Kirby64 2y ago
Not sure what poor quality LVP you’re talking about, but good quality LVP doesn’t have any issues with shrinkage. Plenty of stuff with Greenguard Gold certifications which should mean very minimal off-gassing.
- arresin 2y ago
  It will still be full of phthalates and seriously harmful to young kids especially.

486sx33 2y ago

I get downvoted A LOT for my comments that are anti-China and that China should be forced to take back and recycle all the plastic waste it dumps on North America. PVC flooring is top of the list in toxic waste they are dumping on us. Phthalates in food packaging is a problem but it is “chicken feed” compared to the wider pvc industry. I realize that everyone might think I’m a nut or racist or something when they downvote me. I’m totally accepting of that. Just take a minute and consider that - perhaps I am part of that same industry and have seen this junk in China and know the ins and outs of distribution. Maybe I do maybe I don’t But if you have small children crawling on a pvc floor - take action - please.

jononor 2y ago
Maybe you should focus less on China and more on the issue at hand? The PVC flooring would be a problem regardless of where it comes from... I do not quite the framing that they are dumping it on you. Surely there are American companies that are importing this to the US? And American companies that are selling it to builders and consumers? Are those entities free of responsibility?

spacephysics 2y ago

Whats a good replacement for this? Hardwood floors i imagine are best, but tend to be expensive.

ericd 2y ago
There’s always the possibility of making smaller houses with higher quality materials. Or idk, tile? Linoleum?
- Kirby64 2y ago
  Is linoleum any better? Also, tile has a substantially worse under-foot feel for certain areas than a hardwood or hardwood-like substance. Too hard and too cold.
  - ericd 2y ago
    "Linoleum is a floor covering made from materials such as solidified linseed oil (linoxyn), pine resin, ground cork dust, sawdust, and mineral fillers such as calcium carbonate, most commonly on a burlap or canvas backing." Not sure if there's anything that's been shown to be a problem in there, but it doesn't seem to involve any pthalates. But yeah, I'd personally just go with a smaller house with hardwood, rather than a larger one made of crap like vinyl planking (and that's what we did, in practice).
    - scubadude 2y ago
      Lino is an example of a great technology that we had to "improve" (make cheaper) and replace with godawful plastic.
      - ericd 2y ago
        Funny, because iirc it already had the reputation as the cheap option.
      - leobg 2y ago
        Yeah. Also, drinking straws. straw > plastic > PFAS coated paper
Dig1t 2y ago
Bamboo is excellent, they can make it look like other types of wood, it’s pretty affordable, and it’s environmentally friendly. Another option is cork.

CrHn3 2y ago

What about vinyl flooring like Duralux that is Greenguard Gold certified for low emissions and free of ortho-phthalate plasticizers?

Kirby64 2y ago

Not sure what poor quality LVP you’re talking about, but good quality LVP doesn’t have any issues with shrinkage. Plenty of stuff with Greenguard Gold certifications which should mean very minimal off-gassing.

arresin 2y ago
It will still be full of phthalates and seriously harmful to young kids especially.