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Thanks, this is a helpful comment. It isn’t clear to me that these models destroy incentive to create. I mean, ChatGPT can generate comments in my style all da

Thanks, this is a helpful comment. It isn’t clear to me that these models destroy incentive to create. I mean, ChatGPT can generate comments in my style all day, and yet I’m still incentivized to comment. I fancy myself a photographer. I still want to take photos even if DALL-E 4 will generate better ones. What even is the point of creating art? I think there are two purposes: personal expression and enjoyment for others. People will continue to express themselves even if a bot can produce better art. And if a bot can produce enjoyment for others en masse, then that seems like a huge win for everybody.

llamaimperative 2y ago
Right, it doesn’t destroy the incentive to write comments. Also right, it won’t destroy the hobbyist’s interest in having a hobby. But IP law was never intended to protect hobbyist interest.
NBJack 2y ago
It cheapens the incentive greatly. And you probably aren't selling your photos to make a living.
- c1sc0 2y ago
  Selling art as a way of making a living actually is a pretty recent thing. Up until not too long ago patronage was pretty much the only way to survive for artists. Maybe we will go back to that model?
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    Artists have been selling art for as long as we've been selling anything. Sure, some successful artists, during a few periods in history, managed to secure patronage, but those have always been the minority. Most artists have sold or traded their wares directly and your attempts to derail this discussion with inaccurate histories is neither helpful nor appropriate.
cush 2y ago
> I think there are two purposes: personal expression and enjoyment for others. This is exactly what non-artists assume artists do art for. The reality is that most professional visual artists work in publishing, marketing, entertainment and the like. It’s a regular job. The incentive is money. Similarly for theatre, music, video, dance, etc etc. Artists can’t feed their families off exposure and expressing themselves. Their work has value and taking that work to create free derivative works without compensating them is theft.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  It is absolutely wild trying to make this point on HN. Art is for funsies while writing code for targeting ads is a Serious Job.
  - cush 2y ago
    Painfully out of touch

llamaimperative 2y ago

Right, it doesn’t destroy the incentive to write comments. Also right, it won’t destroy the hobbyist’s interest in having a hobby. But IP law was never intended to protect hobbyist interest.

NBJack 2y ago

It cheapens the incentive greatly. And you probably aren't selling your photos to make a living.

c1sc0 2y ago
Selling art as a way of making a living actually is a pretty recent thing. Up until not too long ago patronage was pretty much the only way to survive for artists. Maybe we will go back to that model?
- asadotzler 2y ago
  Artists have been selling art for as long as we've been selling anything. Sure, some successful artists, during a few periods in history, managed to secure patronage, but those have always been the minority. Most artists have sold or traded their wares directly and your attempts to derail this discussion with inaccurate histories is neither helpful nor appropriate.

cush 2y ago

> I think there are two purposes: personal expression and enjoyment for others. This is exactly what non-artists assume artists do art for. The reality is that most professional visual artists work in publishing, marketing, entertainment and the like. It’s a regular job. The incentive is money. Similarly for theatre, music, video, dance, etc etc. Artists can’t feed their families off exposure and expressing themselves. Their work has value and taking that work to create free derivative works without compensating them is theft.

llamaimperative 2y ago
It is absolutely wild trying to make this point on HN. Art is for funsies while writing code for targeting ads is a Serious Job.
- cush 2y ago
  Painfully out of touch